Tanks are in a weird place kinda. Gnomer only really needs one tank if everyone knows the mechanics well enough.
This has kinda led to some the tanks switching to be a special kinda 3rd melee of the raid. I mean I was in a successful pug that ran gnomer with no discord and we succeeded with one tank and a half tank just playing as cat for all the bosses.
Gnomer heavily favors caster range with token melee, your chances for success go up with each melee you don’t bring so long as the range replacing them know how to follow fairly simple mechanics.
Now we have an influx of melee rerolling casters or healers but nobody to tank because the demand is lower since there are no real heavy mechanics that punish a team using 1 tank.
there is really no way to single tank gnomer. Not only do the mechanics not allow it but the damage would be far too punishing. First boss and last 2 obviously.
I was in a pug literally 3 days ago that did just that. We cleared gnomer without discord with our only trouble boss being Electrocutioner. We had a shaman tank MT and a cat druid that tanked just for trash.
Pummeler has no boss mechanics that punish tanks, neither does Grubbis, nor Viscious Fallout, Electrocutioner nada, Menagerie does have mechanics that punish tanks and we overcame them because they only happen every 25% health loss for each of the pets so we just dpsed them down a little slower and would only push one of the pets to their punishment phase at a time. Thermaplug does have a punishment mechanic but its mostly overcome if dps is high enough to phase him from fire to frost faster then the fire stacks happen.
It really depends on your dps this pug only had 1 melee in it beside the OT cat that was only tanking for making trash easier. Rest was range and the 2 healers.
My guild runs only use 1 tank for most of the run with our warlock being OT for Menagerie and then he focuses on killing bombs on Thermaplug. Its totally doable with 1 tank only or 1 and half tank.
Rogues can tank…especially dungeons.
Hardly need one. Heal the dps and just dps everything down.
Yeah, bear Druid. We single tank it on our last run, you can look at logs. Wiped once, but figured it out. Only one real healer and a spriest as well.
This is actually the #1 reason why you don’t see many tanks/healers in general in most MMOs. Instead of acknowledging a simple mistake as just that, a mistake; and being like, “Don’t worry, we’ll try again”, most players would rather rage at the tanks/healers, then they leave the group.
I’ve been a healing main in MMOs since 2005. It’s progressively gotten worse over the years that anyone new wanting to try out either role gets met with ridicule and “go, go, go” from dps players, and blame on the healers for paper tanks dying from mega pulls without popping defensive.
Fix the attitude of the average WoW player and you’ll fix the tank/healer shortage. However, seeing as how that will probably never happen, I’ll laugh at every thread that comes up like this, as it’s a product of the community itself.
As a side note, it’s not as bad in Classic as it is in retail, but since SoD brought over a lot of retail players it’s been a lot more like the retail rage in groups lately.
Back when there were tank and healer forums you would go in and there would literally be numerous threads about the new insults that would be thrown at tanks/healers on pug runs and other tanks/healers encouraging the newer people to stick with it.
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The toxicity of the community has grown exponentially. It’s really hard to deal with as a healer/tank.
Tanking my way up on my warrior here, I got frequent insults for not being able to handle huge AoE pulls like a paladin tank.
My paladin healer once got told 'if you can’t keep up with aoe pulls ur bad and should KYS"
And people want us to group up with 40 other people that might behave like this. Yikes.
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need to get rid of tank fights that insta wipe the raid. 5/6 bosses in gnomer have this. no wonder they don’t want to do it lol
Random Dungeon Finder would be great.
lol, rogue’s state is so bad that OP doesn’t know its existent
I’m so tired of Ret paladins with righteous fury on insisting they’re tanks pulling 2-3 mobs at a time and losing agro on half of them to passive damage.
Season of Discover-ing why tanks need to be buffed.
wouldn’t there be more tanks if pally and warrior dps was garbo though? Side not i wish I leveled a druid instead of a rogue id tank everything for u…Not a fan of the new so called (tank) specs. The game was fine with not having rogue and lock tank, they just needed to fix the tanks they had
Im suprised theres not more bear tanks, since cat dps is in the trash right now. Bear swipe is cracked and you can litterally solo tank gnomer its swimming in rage now
lol lack of tanks cause warrior and pally dps want to dps in raids. especially when pugs are usually MS>OS and if you have an jerk leader who’ll claim the warrior is a tank and can’t roll for the 2h axe over the melee hunter that’s decided he wants it.
Because prot warrior tanking sucks. They gave classes all these runes to make gameplay more like retail, and warriors over here using tab target sunder still while everyone is blowing stuff up with AOEs. It’s a joke.
Warrior tanks need shockwave or blood and thunder. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
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Don’t need tanks for 5 man content
Wait you think pally tanks don’t exist in dungeons? And you think this is cause dps reasons?
Are we playing the same game? Like 90% of my dungeon tanks are pally and if there was a shortage I’d assume it’s because they’re all already done leveling since they’re so in demand for aoe abilitiy.