I’ve been trying to find a level 60 dungeon group for a while and haven’t had much luck. I know Protection Paladin isn’t the most desirable tank, but whaddya think? Should I respec for a while, while we wait for tanks?
Thinking about this at the moment:
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/0505012-053201334301501-052
You are not holy if you don’t have illumination.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking of for a Prot spec, not Holy. I’m currently Holy and thinking of going Prot to tank.
Prot paladins can tank anything but raids. Especially given the nerfed content patch we are on now.
Fill the gap in the market, only bring casters with you (given how many mages there are im sure you won’t have trouble filling groups with mages) and laugh at dps warriors who refuse to tank while you roll in loot.
Well warriors are a slow leveling class. How about instead of trying to tank when prot pallies are not good at. Help out all the warriors. Will help you out in the end. As they are the only tanks you should and will consider. I also would suggest make sure to befriend all the fury/prot warriors. As they will be your best tanks.
I honestly don’t think many people are 60 yet.
How exactly are prot paladins not good at tanking? Where and how this misinformation started has always fascinated me. Paladins are perfectly capable dungeon tanks, and even preferable to warriors in strath/scholo. Sure they cant tank raids but so what, thats what warriors are for.
Paldains don’t have a taunt, no tier for them, run out of Mana, and last of all they get crushed. No one wants a tank that can be crushed to death, that runs out of Mana mid fight. Has no taunt. If you think a paladin can tank. Just wait tell they do TBC.
They have no taunt, and they go oom adding unnecessary down time.
Time to do proffesions
Level another alt
Aside from not having a taunt, all those things apply only to raids, which as i stated a paladin cant really tank. You arent getting crushed in dungeons. Judgement of righteousness can be used as a pseudo taunt and after getting hit with bos/holy shield/ret aura/imp fury and consecration up you shouldnt be losing aggro.
Downtime is a thing, so you will drink when the healers/mages do. Perhaps more frequently. Big deal. I guarantee you nobody is leaving because there’s a bit of extra downtime as opposed to sitting in town spamming lf tank for an hour.
Actually Prot Paladin is the best tank for dungeons. Hands down the best aoe tank in the game. Can wear the same reactive gear a warrior does to help with aoe tanking, while bringing even more aoe with abilities. When done right they do not even have to drink for mana.
Proct is worse then Ret in raid because so many problem, they don’t become fully viable until wrath. But if you just tank dungeon it is ok, just remember bring a lot water. Beside holy paladin are the best single target healer for 3 expansion by spamming 2 skill.
Go holy/prot 30/21/0 then you can both tank dungeons and heal.
Best of both worlds.
There is a reason that wolk had more good tanking classes. Up to that point only warriors where good tanks, which includes in TBC.
There is a reason blizzard went with LFD and call to arms. Guess you guys will have to suffer tell enough Fury/Prot warriors get to 60.
No, that’s been the entire point here, that nobody has to suffer because there are ample druids and paladins that are perfectly capable of tanking dungeons. Raids only need less than a handful of main warrior tanks, and there will be plenty of warriors at 60.
Paladins lack taunts and strong, consistent threat builders. They can tank, and Druid can too, but they will just never be as good at it as a Warrior. They have a niche here and there, though. If you’re thinking you’re going to be a Paladin tank, you will probably be disappointed with the result.
Mate you really are dense. These negatives apply to raiding, in dungeons they are great tanks. The gap is so narrow in dungeons its irrelevant.
I would probably recommend this spec instead as it’ll give you the most tanking power for your points.
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/paladin/500501-053050335001051-05004
Trickiest part about tanking as a paladin is balancing how much mana you burn with how much threat you generate. Using different ranks of Consecration in particular makes a difference due to both its high threat output and high mana cost.
Keeping an eye on mobs and controlling them in what ways you can is also important. BoP, BoSalv (for particularly high-threat party members), HoJ, etc. since you don’t have a taunt to rely on for snap aggro.
1 hour Alchemy potion buffs help out a ton as well.
Don’t get me wrong, tanking as a paladin is definitely an uphill battle in both effort required and perception from others, but it is most certainly a viable alternative for pretty much any dungeon if you know what you’re doing. This coming from someone who tanked every 5 man in vanilla even before the difficulty was toned down pre-BC.
I’m reporting in after a night of tanking in BRD with what I gathered from the experience. I am 60. I was with a 52 hunter, 52 rogue, and 52 mage. I was being healed by a 58 priest. We did all the prison stuff, the Ring of Law, moved through the dormitory, did the vault, and then killed Fineous Darkvire and Lord Incendius.
For me, the biggest challenge was pulling effectively. I have Linken’s Boomerang (https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11905) in the bank but forgot to bring it. Boy was that a mistake. I often had to run in and tank the pack where it was because the DPS simply would not wait for the first Consecration, so the clock was always ticking. Then, that usually meant patrols could and would just walk into us and I learned that I simply needed the mana to be sure I could drop a Consecration at the proper spot.
Mana was surprisingly not an issue once I adopted two guidelines: Seal of Wisdom over Seal of Righteousness, use Consecration to gain aggro but rely on Retribution Aura, Blessing of Sanctuary, and Holy Shield to keep it. Using this strategy, I didn’t have to drink any more often than the healer or casters did. Actually, the fact that I did have to drink at roughly the same frequency was mentioned by the party as a positive because, according to the priest, warriors he’s healed have been less than observant of his mana and need to drink.
There were some exceptions to the above guidelines. If someone proxy aggro’d a single target or somehow got something on them, Judgement of Righteousness usually got it back. If that failed or if the mob was too dangerous to let loose for even a moment, then came the BoP which was, naturally, very effective. Guardian’s Favor may have been a little overkill – my mileage varied based on the kind of trash we were pulling – but, frankly, I don’t think Anticipation is important in dungeons and Toughness isn’t good at all.
The healer did say healing me was fine even though I was wearing some mail and almost every item I had was Holy gear. BRD has some very nice spell power plate in it, though, which I did get some of. I even got a stamina, intellect and spell power one-hander (https://classic.wowhead.com/item=11784).
I generally prefer Holy over any other paladin spec, but it seems like in the absence of tanks and especially before my guild can start raiding, this may be a good way to gear myself and help the community. And based on my experience last night, it works. I’ll do some more stuff and check back in to let you know what else I learn.