I wish they’d revert the changes made to Binding Shot and made it a 5s stun again, 8s root is nice but majority of classes just counter it with abilities that have way shorter cd and proceed as planned.
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Ice trap is a core hard CC. Is MM missing some kind of CC the other 2 specs have?
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Yes. A stun. BM and Surv both have a stun, MM does not.
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That’s good to know.
Realistically with the burst of MM do you guys need a stun? Between the slows, ice trap and being ranged that is.
I can’t think of any class/spec that has a better kit besides rogues.
Are you being serious right now?
Imagine making and arugment like this about HoJ: “You guys have repentence and a ranged 70% slow and your burst is insane, do you really need a stun?”
Ice trap breaks on any damage, it’s not targeted but is an aoe instead, it has travel time and prone to get triggered by pet or intervening warrior instead. Not to mention that Scatter Shot takes up a PvP-talent slot and shares the same DR as Ice trap.
I fail to see a single similarity to rogues 20s cc chain with Kidney - Sap - Blind combo.
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Of all classes you could of used in your argument on CC you chose paladin. I assumed this post was intended to be a conversation on MM CC, but it’s clear your intent was just to vent frustration.
Also, I never said hunter has the same CC as rogue. I said they are second best to rogue but the gap between them is huge. Let’s go over MM CC yeah?
Concussive - 50% slow
Wing clip - 50% slow if someone manages to get into melee range (niche, I admit)
Bursting - Knockback and snare
Tar trap - AOE slow
Freezing Trap - Hard CC
On top of all this CC you have a dispel, can out range any caster thanks to your mastery, and a huge burst that can be used from that range. Not to mention a talent that lets you stealth to be able to easily setup that burst.
I’m not saying MM is OP or is easy to play. I’m just saying that a complaint about them not having a stun while keeping everything else would put them in an OP state. If you can’t see that you are ignoring balance in favor of your spec to do even better then it already is.
But we get baseline Binding Shot, arguably far more useful in M+ at least? And on a shorter cooldown. Atop greater range on our traps via Mastery…
I’m not feeling especially gypped by that trade…
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Base Abilities
Concussive Shot- 50% slow
Bursting Shot- Knockback and snare
Tar trap - AOE slow
Freezing Trap - Hard CC
Binding Shot- AOE root
PVP
Hi-Explosive shot- Massive knockback
Scattershot- Debuff removal while Incapacitating target for 4 seconds
Sounds to me like you either suck at Hunters or you are one of those cry babies who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. You are playing one of the most busted classes in the game right now with more than enough CC. Learn your class and stop being trash.
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You replied as a paladin - I brought up a ret as comparison. It seems you’ve not played MM recently - otherwise you’d know how unreliable Bursting Shot is, it misses point-blank half the times. Outranging is total bs because on current mastery values the range on my shots is 45 yards - you can’t really range the meagear 5 yards, considering AiS takes 2.5s to cast. I’m not asking to add anything, I’m asking for a reversal of an ability from a root to a stun.
That’s rich coming from an unranked sob with 30% winrate. Maybe take your own advice?
Yeah, but the question was about CC that BM and surv has that MM does not. Binding shot has it’s uses, but it’s not a stun.
I think it was only a stun if the target moved, or was moved.
Still, I understand what you’re after, but how would we move them now?
The same as we use it now. I’ve yet to meet someone who can react to a binding shot during kiting. It barely has any visuals. Even if the target doesn’t move - you can “move” it with either Bursting Shot or Explosive Trap and the Binding Shot’s effect will be triggered.
Yes, that is how it used to be, Binding shot, then explosive trap to activate the stun. This was in either PvE or PvP play.
Is explosive trap a PvP item? Idano…
MM form of CC is killing things, dead.
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I only meant it in the sense that we shouldn’t compare the strengths of two kits on the sole basis of one small component that may or may not lie therein. If we’re to talk about CC that BM and SV have that MM does not, the CC MM has that BM and SV do not have (at least baseline) should be equally pertinent.
Binding is not a stun, but it’s what the stun was ‘given up for’ and, for the content MM already excels in (in part because of Binding), is probably far more useful while generally being far less redundant to others’ kits.
Easy solution is to bring back old concussion shot that could be specced into a stun proc. Lower the cd remove the stupid steady shot extension of duration and done.
I agree, no stun feels bad
Arms warrior and spriest have far better stuns and cc, while doing comparable damage (arms) or more damage and self healing(spriest). Ret has bigger burst and self healing while also having a hard stun.
MM has a strong burst in a 10sec window, but its also very easily countered by any class that knows to cc the double tap rapid fire, or use their immunties (bubble, spriest dodge/dispersion, rogue dodge/ mage iceblock or shields). And then the damage is a bit lacking
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MM is already a top spec in all content, PvP is no exception. Using other specs that are top performing for justification on a buff ignores the other 80% of specs in the game that are not even close in comparison. It’s hard for people to take requests like this seriously when there are so many broken specs right now.
Will MM be smoother with a stun? Maybe. It’s also pretty low on peoples radar as it’s already performing really well.
Hunter has 2 other specs that are terrible in PvP and have the stun that’s being asked for. Maybe the solution is to help those specs out rather then giving MM an even better kit.
Umm MM is good, but not a top spec in 2s, 3s, or RBGs.
Just to name a few better specs in arena:
Arms
Spriest
Boomy
WW monk
Unholy dk
Feral
Fire mage
We aren’t a dumpster fire like some specs, but to say we are a top spec in pvp is incorrect. We are in a relatively good and balanced spot but we are probably like A-/B+ tier
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