So I am new to retail and it turns out I am very bad at the game. I have ilvl 390 gear and I am doing around 14k against a training dummy dps as Fury warrior. People tell me this is bad, and I have no idea how to get my dps any higher. I’ve looked at places like icy-veins and still can’t seem to get a good enough rotation, any advice?
Worry about gearing up first. Essences.
Whatever optimization you do now will quickly get replaced.
14k might be bad for someone that is geared. But for someone not as geared it is hard to tell.
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Your DPS is only bad compared to well geared characters. You have lots and lots of room to get upgrades. Not just ones that raise your ilvl but more and better Azerite traits, more and better Essences, and doing the new patch’s story quests to get your legendary cloak and first pieces of Corrupted gear.
You have lots and lots of room to catch up, and the only way to do that is time and effort.
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This is a pretty solid guide on how not to play Fury.
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Then you post it. i will delete mine and let you post.
I am NOT trying to make a good player into a pro. I am trying to make a really seemingly bad player into an average player.
So I deleted my guide. Lets see you post your. you cant, or you wont? Then you were just bluffing.
Yea I just took a look at your armoy. There is no WAY that the new guy is able to be anything close to what you do. You style of playing is not going o fit his at all. You a good player. he is NOT. But he is trying to be.
So either you post your own guide, Or I am calling it all talk, but no walk.
That player does not have the skill to play as well as you do. So… help him out if you can. If you DONT then that means that you cant.
Fury isn’t complicated. It’s one of the easiest specs in the game to learn. In a nutshell, get cold steel hot blood traits, get crit, then get more crit, then spam buttons until you can use rampage and use recklessness basically on cooldown.
As I thought. it was all bluff. You have no idea how to help a struggling inexperienced player. You only know how to help yourself and know what gues would work for you.
His item level is 415
Your item level is 478 and the fact that you think the two of you should have the same playing style is beyond me.
So… Help him out, if you wont, then that means that you cant and that I was right… you truly were bluffing. All talk. Your comment did not help OP one bit. he needs to get WAY better gear before he can begin to worry about getting actual high numbers in the end game DPS.
Gee, or maybe rather than bluffing he’s just not someone who checks the forum every hour of the day? Or perhaps it might be better to not duplicate work and just point people at the class guides on Wowhead?
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You guys just dont want to help the new guy. Not my problem.
Like it was said above. Get more essences, stack CSHB and tons of crit. Get your priority rotation down on a dummy and that’s it, once you’re better geared you can target specific pieces like trinks and etc. Enchants and gems help a lot but sabe them for gear you won’t be replacing soon.
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Holy crap, am I allowed to have a life? As Althiala said…
False. Your guide was taken down as a direct result of it was it not? It was packed full of wrong, harmful info that would have made him into a worse player. Frankly, I’m kinda proud of myself. One snarky comment, 12 words written in half as many seconds, did a massive amount of good for these forums.
Fortunately step one has already been taken care of -
This is my preferred guide. It’s how I learned to play the class, it’s where I get my baseline information on the new power mechanics & gear each tier, and I check back on it all the time as a resource. If Fury were a school class, this is your textbook.
So let’s see, OP says he was doing 14k on a target dummy at 390 ilvl. Today he’s 415 and on a target dummy he sims at…
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vfFHSDijgaXraWHV2BboE1
17.4k; If I had to guess he’s probably not making any terribly incorrect rotational choices then, at least for ST.
It’s truly a matter of, as has already been pointed out a number of times, he’s simply an extraordinarily new character. His neck is only level 56 and has one essence in it. His Azerite gear has two traits and only one of them is a dps trait. You can’t outplay that. Those are the two things he needs to fix first, which will have the biggest effect on his dps. Since literally everything gives AP for the neck, his first priorities right now should be grinding essences and getting 5-trait Azerite gear. Mythic 0’s are really the way to go for that right now. The gear’s only 430 ilvl, but that is still an upgrade, but the Azerite traits will make an enormous difference.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fsDbHXMg8F1GixexNDN5og
25% dps increase just by getting fully traited versions of his current gear. And those aren’t even the ideal pieces.
As for grinding essences, some are probably unattainable at the moment, as the raiding and arena essences for example will really require more gear to earn. But there’s several excellent ones that you can start working on that are very easy to go after. Lethal strikes takes a single lesser vision a week, and even the rank one version you get just from doing the first one is an amazing essence. Seriously you can have it in the next 5 minutes, go go. Blood of the enemy is the go-to major essence that you want to get. There’s only one way to get that - battlegrounds. Just start queueing up and grinding out honor. You’ll even get some gear occasionally from them. It’ll come in time and fairly efficiently as long as you win 1 BG, epic BG, and brawl (if available) each day, but you can also just log some extra time in BGs and speed the process up as much as you’re willing. Fairly simple to earn, just a bit of a time investment. Do the three companion dailies in Nazjatar every day, takes about 10 minutes total, and you’ll be progressing Lucid Dream. Not a very commonly used essence end-game, but it’s really quick and easy to get and will be very useful for you for a long time while you’re gearing up. Purification protocol is another important one to be working on - just go to Rustbolt and knock out the dailies everyday. Get Revered reputation with them (30 minutes a day for maybe 3 weeks) and you’ll be set there. Eventually we really want to try and get CLF, Focusing Iris, and Conflict & Strife, but you need to be a bit more geared before you can go after those unless you have money for carries.
Make sure you do the questline (it’s rather lengthy) to go ahead and get your legendary cloak. It’s quite essential. Make sure you do the new assaults and as many of the new dailies as you can stomach. At this point I would just get the rank 1 cloak and stockpile Coalescing Visions, so that you can quickly rank up your cloak later on once you’ve got a bit better gear.
Spec/Talents are fine, don’t change those. Anyway, I’d encourage the OP to work on the listed points and check back in once you’ve got new Azerite and better essences. From there we can see how you’re doing, give you an azimuth check, and make sure you stay on the correct track. It’s a long road from where you’re at to top-end dps, but if you’re willing to put in the work we can get you there.
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He’s right you know.
While I know Holytemplar was just trying to help, giving out incorrect info really does more harm than good. Luckily warriors have possibly the best theorycrafter in the game, and shares information and guides all the time. If you’re trying to help someone and you’re not 100% sure of something take a quick glance at the guides to be sure you’re giving good information. Or, as Darke did, just refer said player to the guide instead so that they can look over it themselves.
That said, those guides are incredibly useful. As someone who did nothing but PvP up until Legion (when you had to PvE for gear cuz no PvP vendors), I think I did good (average) DPS for someone who’d never really theorycrafted, read a guide, changed specs/gear for PvE/PvP, or even stepped foot in a raid since LFR SoO. But then I realized if I was going to progress and get better gear, I’d first have to get better skill-wise. Now I can farm arena teams all day, but unfortunately that didn’t matter because the PvP gear was so far behind the PvE gear. So I came to this very forum, blaming the class for sucking like your average n00b, and was given good info and reffered to the guides by some nice warriors here. Their responses were snarky, but after having adjusted my gameplay and realizing my issue was a PEBKAC one, I understood why. So many people complain without thinking that they may be the problem that it gets old and annoying seeing the same type of posts every day. Then I became one of the people trying to help others.
Sorry for the long post. Just a testimonial I guess that those guides really are the best way to improve, and maybe a little kick in the right direction. As with Legion, gearing still requires you to PvE if you want to get anywhere in the game even in PvP, actually especially in PvP, so I still refer to those guides often.
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The only info anyone should be giving the OP is
“Farm gear”
This warrior is a better fury warrior than i am so that is why I wanted HIM to give the advice.
Aedan is.
But the OP first goal should be to get better gear.
Being super skilled with terrible gear will still get you kicked in todays PvE style, ESPECCIALLY if you end up in a dungeons where the top DPS links the dps of everyone in the group after every pull to show how good he is doing.
And if they see that OP keeps placing bottom, he may get the boot with out anyone even caring that his gear is the problem.
Thank you very much for this helpful post. I’m also new to Fury, and this will help a lot. 
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This, this is why we trust you.
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14k isn’t terrible for a fresh 390 fury warrior. 
holy crap
youre good, haven’t seen much people do +20s
Hey I am also new around 424 il bit I seem to have trouble on some of the world bosses. I just seem to die and not be able to heal enough.