Knock 30 seconds off Dragonrage CD

Classes Evoker
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All due respect (I’m trying my best not to sound elitist), you only have logs for 3/8 LFR, and your IO shows you’re 0/8N & H. I don’t think you’re in any position to be expressing your opinions as fact here.

That being said, even a bad player can make a great coach and it’s not all about credentials but rather being knowledgeable about the sport. But that’s not the case here, because even Warcraftlogs data shows that we’re in the top 5 DPS specs in the raid. I also have no issue completing 8 +20s for the week to secure 421 picks in my vault, and stay competitive with my peers from other classes (and often beat them out), so we’re fine in M+ as well. While we do have a few issues (persistent class bugs, a bit lacking in survivability, not offering unique utility to set us apart from Pres), the spec is in a very good spot and if we were to receive any more buffs that would effect our DPS - we’d be overpowered.

I recommend you join the Evoker discord and seek some advice there. I looked through your logs a bit, but judging someone based off their 360ilvl gameplay from 2 months ago isn’t really sufficient to say that you simply don’t understand the class. But from a quick glance - you’re running a Lariat that you could add two more sockets to, and you’re running the wrong gems. Run Skillful Illimited Diamond at the very least, but also add two more sockets (can be bought in AH. Your Lariat can have 3 sockets) and run (in this order) crit/mastery gems or haste/mastery gems, whichever sims best. Reason why you don’t run straight mastery gems is because combo gems are better and provide more value, and you need to make sure they’re Earth gems so your lariat procs mastery buff.

You’re also missing a second embellished item (I recommend Venom-Steeped Stompers in your case, just make sure that Versatility is always your lowest stat), and you’re missing every enchant. Both your trinkets are decent, especially for your ilvl, but a Voidmender’s Shadowgem and even a Ragefeather would serve you much better and could be upgraded with Valor (best combo is Shadowgem + Whispering Incarnate Icon).

My point in saying all this is 1) to help you and 2) to point out to you that you are not exactly setting yourself up for success and making judgments based on your poor position and performance that are not indicative of the greater picture. In simpler words, your gear and potentially your gameplay are not up to standard, and instead of recognizing that and working on yourself, you’re blaming the spec as a whole and making claims about the spec that simply are not true. I understand everyone has different lives and you may have other priorities or obligations that mean you don’t get to play as much, but maybe then recognize that you may not be the best spokesperson when it comes to describing issues with the class and suggesting fixes.

If you want help improving, join the Evoker discord and hit me up (@Dragussies) or anyone else in #Devastation. We’re more than happy to help.

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That’s a long post that is totally irrelevant to what I wrote. For the content I do as a very casual player, Evoker is totally fine. But, for those that want to do high level M+ or PvP, it’s stupid to ignore that Evoker has issues that need to be fixed. From logs it’s really clear they are not doing well in higher end M+. Not sure why people get all defensive and refuse to acknowledge that their class could use some improvements.

My biggest issue is for Blizz to actually fix the bugs like spells not going off. That does affect me, but mostly it’s just annoying.

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Nobody is saying we couldn’t use improvements. My post was long, but to say it’s irrelevant to what you wrote when I literally say “While we do have a few issues (persistent class bugs, a bit lacking in survivability, not offering unique utility to set us apart from Pres), the spec is in a very good spot and if we were to receive any more buffs that would effect our DPS - we’d be overpowered.”

That addresses the core issue of your response - our issues in higher keys. It’s not damage. Our damage is fine. What we need is survivability buffs + utility buffs. We don’t have a low CD minor defensive (30 seconds or so), and that would help a lot. We also don’t offer anything unique in utility that our better counterpart Pres offers, so it makes it easy to skip over Devokers in favor of classes like Rogues, Mages, and Locks that offer much greater utility and can still put numbers on the board, and to just take a Pres Evoker if you’re going to take any Evoker.

And since I think you’re being scummy, what I responded to was your post stating; “For a while, we were doing quite well in mythic raids, though seem to be dropping down again. Below average on normal or heroic, and well below average in M+.” We’re a top 5 spec for raid. Top 5. You think we’re underperforming, and you haven’t even run the content. You have a massive ego.

We’re doing great in raid. We don’t have the same issues in raid that we have in M+. We’re coveted for our utility and damage on the hardest boss in the raid, Rasz, and we’re top 5 DPS specs overall otherwise. You didn’t mention PvP in the post I replied to, and we def have issues there, but of course you’re just shifting the goalposts so you don’t have to admit that you spoke out of line.

Fact of the matter is you’re speaking on issues that don’t effect you and you’re telling other players who are much more qualified to speak on the matter that their words are irrelevant and that you’re right. 8/8H, 2/8M isn’t great, but it sure beat your 0/8N, H, or M, and my +21s/22s beat out your PR of a +7.

I’m not an elitist. Play the game how you want. But if you’re going to argue against the experiences of the demographic you’re advocating for, you deserve to be dunked on. Please be a good person and stick in your lane and stop letting your ego make you think you know more than people who actually live the hardships you’re complaining about.

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Unfortunately, most of the doomsday posters in this forum fit this persona.

Even in m+ where we’re at our “weakest” plenty of evokers are crushing it.

Raid is great, though we lost our other warrior so I’m back to maining that cause rally/bshout are things.

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My issue (and this applies to most folks, I think) is less with numbers and more with fundamental gameplay issues arising from the class design.

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Sure, but that’s not what he was speaking about. He was saying we weren’t doing well in content. It’s bad enough that that’s not true, but it’s made worse by the fact that he’s speaking out of his depth (2/8 LFR, +7 as his highest key, but complaining for people who run Mythic raid & 20+ keys) and gaslighting and arguing against those who have the experience (again, these are the people he purports to advocate for) and are stating that he’s incorrect.

There are discussions being had about how our gameplay feels (people don’t like Giantkiller or don’t like the idea of our rotation revolving around maximizing Dragon Rage), but again - he’s not saying that. He’s either;

  1. Speaking out of his depth for the sake of complaining about something, or is operating off bad info (already told him where good & accurate info is that disproves his claims)

or

  1. He blames his poor performance on the class balancing and rationalizes wanting a buff by pretending that Devokers (as a whole) can’t keep up with damage in harder content (again, not true)

Both are bad. If he wanted to complain about design, he would, but he stated that his biggest issue is with the bugs, and we all want those fixed. They don’t explain his poor DPS and they certainly don’t rationalize him making false claims such as “From logs it’s really clear they are not doing well in higher end M+”. We’re not doing well because we need more survivability and don’t offer unique utility separate from our better counterpart, but we are certainly competitive in damage. He’s calling for damage buffs (“Below average on normal or heroic, and well below average in M+.”) Maybe he’s not talking about DPS, but we also don’t suffer survivability issues in raid, and those are the only two important factors. His complaint is different in each post. Pretty clear to me he has no clue what he’s talking about and is just trying to find a foothold to rationalize his complaining.

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You have no reading comprehension. I never said my damage was a problem. I do fine for the content I do. As a whole, evoker struggles in high M+, which is obvious from looking at something like Raider io. It is likely more of survivability issue than damage. For low level content evoker does really really well.

Learn to read.

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My reading is fine. I know exactly what you were saying, and I know you’re not qualified to speak on it nor do you have a horse in the race. Yes, we need survivability buffs, but that’s not what you were calling for and you were making false statements alongside a call for buffs (underperformance in all levels of raid when we’re top 5, bro).

It’s not a hard concept. You spoke out of line. You shifted your goalposts several times. Stop lashing out on others because you’re struggling to rationalize your misspeaking. I am literally agreeing with you that we need more survivability and that higher M+ is an issue with being able to survive & provide utility (separate from Preservation). But that’s not what you were calling for in the initial post I responded to, or you made the wrong assumption that our survivability is an issue in raid (it isn’t).

I’ll chalk it up to a misunderstanding, but please stick to your lane. You only make the conversation that much harder when you yourself are not well-versed in the subject matter (you don’t run the content you’re speaking on. All you have is data to go off of, and based on your analysis of our raid performance, your data analysis is not something I trust).