Feral Combat is your PVP tree, just accept that’s the way it is… Its freaking classic Cata dude, we knew this going in that Feral Combat is the PVP tree; not the PVE DPS tree.
You can Tank some bosses and Zug arena but you cant Raid DPS in a competitive PVE guild; oh darn.
Sorry but ya just cant have it all, but really that’s what I see here; this is not me making excuses for Fire mages who’re busted AF, this is me pointing out why it is this way.
Except feral was a top tier dps tree in actual Cata.
Each spec has PvP talents
your argument is like saying because restro shaman holy pally restro druid have PvP talents so theyre PVP specs
Thats the issue theres pvp specs that are out dpsing PvP specs
RET also has PvP talents so the ret tree is pallys PvP SPEC!!!
Until the end…
This is why mid wrath I warned players about how not Cata this will actually be.
Its why I push again against the final version of MoP because it is less good than mid expac.
I also push against blizzard making changes because look at all the bugs…
If I had my way Ret would be F tier for raid and S instead of A for PvP. Id straight up trade you in a heartbeat,
Feral was doing much better than this at the end of OG cata as well.
Why is it ok for some specs to be great at both but not others?
Because at the end with insane raid loot it does shine; just not now. This has been the same outcome on ever private realm with semi competitive raid teams,
I never claimed so.
Feral is not warrior they dont scale extremely well with gear
Don’t worry, warrior doesn’t scale with gear either anymore. That’s what normalized rage does. The only other “scaling” warrior is really going to do is when we get Gurth, which is a drop off the last boss of the game (aka when it doesn’t matter anymore, kind of the same time prot warrior stops being a D-tier tank.)
They should buff fury before they buff feral anyway. Any spec reliant on building an entirely different set of gear for pre-pull to do good dps should be fixed before they fix a spec that is working as intended.
Fury is still beating feral so i dont agree with this.
I do agree that Fury should swap place with arms as arms is the traditional PVP spec and fury is the PvE spec.
Demo lock and ele shaman have snapshotting gear sets and are doing amazing
Fury also isn’t an S-tier offtank or S-tier PvP spec. Arms and Fury were identical on performance in raid before Fury got absolutely gutted in 4.3. The same patch Fire mage received multiple 20-150% buffs to their spells taking it from F-tier to S-tier.
Snapshot gear is stupid. Just because a spec performs well using it doesn’t make the interaction good. Especially when you can look at how those specs perform WITHOUT the snapshot and realize they are even worse than Feral is.
Fury actually DOES perform worse than feral by the way. Fury is literally doing the same thing it has done for the last 5 years and you morons take the bait and think the spec is fine every time. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
No it doesnt Furry is Ranked #19 of 22 where feral is 20 of 22!!! in the so there for fury is better then feral sorry not sorry!!!
BUFF FERAL DPS
Fury is literally lower ranked across the board and only clears feral at the HIGHEST END. Which isn’t what the game was balanced around, nor is it the play experience for 90% of players.
I called it by the way. I KNEW you would use the front page numbers to compare fury and feral and think yourself correct. And yet you’re not. If you read my entire last post maybe you would’ve read that last line and thought to put some effort in but no, you just couldn’t be bothered. In fact, even worse, Feral actually does surpass fury again at the top end.
Okay but feral doesn’t have another melee spec we can just switch to like arms and do top tier dps.
So? You’re making an even more braindead argument than the rets did in wrath.
You have another dps spec that is also S-tier in RBG PvP and in PvE. Feral is more than fine as is being S-tier in PvP and the best offtank. And I’m almost certain the reason feral looks so “bad” when looking at the data is because of OT ferals being counted as dps for some bosses dragging down the average.
Ranged DPS isn’t the same as melee dps, warrior literally have a spec that’s the exact same playstyle and largely the same gear which does top dps.
Feral does not(nor does ret)
That sucks? You do have another dps option though in boomie that is more than competitive. Maybe just accept that not all of your specs need to be S-tier?
Warrior will only have had 1 pve viable spec for ~3-4 years by the end of MoP classic. Fury for all of wrath (prot fell slowly to f tier with each content release) , arms for all of cata (prot/fury f-tier off release), arms for all of mop (prot/fury f-tier)
Maybe they should fix some of the other classes and specs that don’t have good alternatives instead of catering to you guys again, since it went so poorly in wrath.
Saying “derp derp just go boomkin” is as stupid as me telling you to reroll mage.