youre not taking into consideration the rest of the alliances benefits (which includes pallies and more functional buffs and auras) .
giving you the same ease of use for windfury as well would be stupid.
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According to the OP 3% crit is worth it
@Mirrina
One enhancement shaman can give his group WF + GoA. Thatâs totem twisting. Every enhancement shaman should be doing this.
@Xtrasecksi
Paladin auras are not more functional than a Shamans Resist totems. How about a shamans ability to AoE Cleanse his entire group of diseases and poisons - while casting other spells?
âBut bubble!â you say.
âBut reincarnate!â I shout.
See how this becomes a silly, stupid problem of endless comparisons? We canât sit here and split hairs comparing Shaman and Paladins. Thereâs a handful of differences. Focus on Windfury. Itâs Kings vs Windfury, it always has been the focus.
âGiving you the same ease of use for windfuryâ as the horde have is⌠stupid? How? You got the same ease of use for Kings? Easier even.
@Hyad
Donât quote me on it, not a math guy, but as a long time guild leader/raid leader/classic andy Iâve always brought ferals. I like the crit 
and Iâve had raiders cry for a feral for âmuh parsesâ lol so I think ferals are safe.
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yes pally auras move with the paladin thus being more functional than stationary totems.
you can use the same logic on pally blessings to an even greater extent cause they âmoveâ with the person buffed and arent stationary.
let me get to the point here.
the only time that windfury from a shaman is âbetterâ is when they are talented into it vs the 20% ap from a druid.
that drastically reduces the amount of âbisâ windfury providers .
druids have to be in form for it which is equal to the shaman having to be enh spec for âbisâ windfury.
only the druid naturally brings a superior wf just by being in form compared to base windfury from all shaman.
i dont know the exact numbers but this is bore out by people who have ran the numbers.
oh no ! druids have to be in form!
i dont care.
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Youâre once again missing the point(s).
Pally auras move with the pally, sure, but he can only have one active - A shaman can drop multiple resist totems at once.
It doesnât even matter that a shamanâs WF has the option to be âbetterâ, I was just pointing out that that option exists. The problem is that any shaman can provide WF and not any druid can provide WF.
Let me break it down again. Druids have to be in form for it, which is not equal to a shaman having to be enhance spec. A resto shamans WF totem is equal in power to any druids WF. However, a resto shaman does not have to restrict themselves in any way to provide this buff, while a resto druid would quite literally have to stand there doing nothing in addition to sacrificing a rune.
Any shaman can press/drop WF totem at no personal punishment/detriment.
A feral cat druid can slot WF at no detriment. A feral bear druid now has to make a choice, or hope a second feral is in his group (lol). A resto druid can slot WF, but now has to stand there in cat form casting 0 healing spells and doing nothing.
The equivalent would be as such: for a resto shaman to drop WF - they can only Melee attack.
Do you see now that the access to this buff is not equal? In no way, shape, form, or reality is druids WF âbetterâ than a shamans. And I am not asking for it to be (before I get accused of this lol).
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Also most raids are setup so minimal movement is required on melee and caster parts so the shaman point is stronger in organized raids and yes pugs/casuals will favor paladins as they have better defensives to correct a number of raid errors
what youre not getting is it doesnt need to be equal.
the factions arent equal.
the buffs arent equal.
it doesnt need to be equal.
you have a very good option that can be ran by either a tank druid or a feral cat druid.
thats all thats needed.
you should ask for them to make feral tanks/cats better so they are more wanted to be played instead of asking for full equality with the factions which is a bigger ask than just improving druid tanks/cats.
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I would have to respond with simply this. No.
You lose identity and purpose behind choice if what you suggest happens. Look to retail. A confused love child of regret and damage control, going through the same viscous cycle again and again. The game itself has lost the War in Warcraft. I think the Bronze dragonflight needs to relaunch wow, FF14 style.
Horde vs Alliance may as well homogenize and orcs should freely roam Stormwind, because the scenery is better and less zug zug, also their Druids are easier on the eyes.
Class balance encroaches too much already into what differentiates and adds flavor or spice to the game. Identity and aesthetics coupled are a great pair and add flare to the game, what you propose is yet another step to gutting this.
Also, having to weave Grace of Air totem and Windfury totem is a pain and incredibly annoying. Unless what you propose goes through, there needs to be an equal pain and suffering of oneâs fingers and wrist.
Also, paladins need to be uglier like Tauren, Troll and Orc.
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⌠No what you arenât getting is that it doesnât need to be equal. Youâre the guy bringing up all these extra abilities and minute differences between paladins and shamans. I explicitly stated that we were wasting time doing such.
The raid buffs were made accessible for one faction but not the other. Itâs not balanced. It is not equal. I have provided several examples and explanations to illustrate this point to you, itâs kind of baffling you still donât see it. Imagine if your only source of WF was from specifically enhancement shaman (and that they werenât currently #1 dps/abundant af lol)
Horde got Kings with no restriction (hey alliance too tbh). Alliance got WF with a lot of restriction. It is clear as day. There is 0 reason not to, or harm in making Wild Strikes work out of form. Would mean a resto druid could provide WF the same as any shaman. Everything would be nice and balanced.
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The druid could shift forms and have wild strikes linger 10secs like Windfury. That would work.
No one is asking for homogenization. However, Blizzard decided to give each faction access to the others tools but did so in a poor manner. Now Iâm asking for them to take a look at it and address it, cause as someone who runs raids every week it has been very annoying to manage and has only gotten worse.
What I am proposing guts nothing. Druids are already granting WF. Hunters are granting everyone kings. Iâm just asking to take the restriction off of druids, that doesnât exist for hunters.
Totem twisting = Seal twisting, welcome friend. If you donât like managing totems then you chose the wrong class, itâs your design
The suggestion for wild strikes lingering: a meme for sure, but honestly I would take anything at this point. Gives the resto druids something to do too.
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Totem twisting = Seal twisting = Shape shifting*
I think in your own words then, this is the acceptable trade-off.
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The druids are going to hate this.
Jokes aside, surely you know this isnât a fair/equivalent trade off. Thereâs no detriment (or reasoning, honestly) to making Wild Strikes work out of form. 0. Hell thereâs even an argument it would be good for Resto to fish for clearcasting procs and melee weave.
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The mental gymnastics some people are making because they want an unfair advantage over the other faction.
Even when a change to make Wild Strikes raid wide, more accessible, or whatever, would benefit their own faction.
This is pathetic.
Make Wild Strikes raid wide and not require a shapeshift already. Why do we have to go through so many hoops?
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This logic is what I speak to regarding where retail is at now. SoD not capturing the spirit of classic is what this thinking promotes.
Why not just play Cata classic, where the balancing has already been done? Why not bring all of the quality of life from Cata into SoD?
Making the comment of mental gymnastics is not wanting an unfair advantage, it is trying to maintain some faction identity. Having choice matter. Why not just let any class have windfury aura?
You were given windfury, now you want more, instead of shuffling around the roster. Add some variety and necessity.
Given an inch want a mile much?
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Then why are you not campaigning for the removal of Heart of the Lion?
Oh thatâs right, because you donât actually care about this so-called âspirit of classicâ.
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There is such a massive difference between having windfury and not having it. It feels terrible raiding without it on many classes, especially warriors.
The options are:
1 keep things the way they are and feel like your class is missing a key element to it when you donât have it
2 make it easy to get so it can be expected to always have it
3 get rid of it or drastically change it (too iconic a thing for classic wow for this to happen)
Because you have wild strikes now, bring a feral?
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my 1 spec of shaman having a comparable if only slightly better version of windfury vs your 2 (bear/kitty) specs having a better baseline windfury (20% vs a flat number) than all other shaman that dont have 2 points deep into enhance tree is a valid concern.
its stupid.
you have 20% ap from wildstrikes.
20% ap is going to be > than a flat number once people gear at 60. i dont have the straight numbers but its very clear that a % base is going to be better than a flat number as gear and ap values get better.
you arent seeming to understand that only 1 spec of shaman can even compete with this and all other shaman will be contributing less than a druid using wildstrikes.
so no its not all shaman. its 1 spec of shaman.
So you could just bring one feral or hell just a single druid and provide WF for the entire raid while healing/caster/melee dps?
YaaaâŚthat doesnt seem insanely OP and imbalanced to meâŚ
Why not just go full over the top and give every alliance player WF as a racial?