Yep, that is my random retail trash character that I’d been raiding mythic with since MoP until about 2 years ago when I decided to quit and wait for classic because I wanted to experience vanilla again. You got me bro, a regular Sherlock Holmes.
You cherry-picked 2 sentences out of ~100 that I’ve posted on this thread to misrepresent a point I was making.
That’s a false dichotomy. In the first sentence I was referring to Darthjaedr, a single poster on this thread who was calling me stupid. In the second sentence I’m referring to the alliance faction of classic players as a whole, who I tend to think (perhaps incorrectly) of as the typical Asmongold fanboy.
By what definition is vanilla PVP a competition? You mean like each individual BG being a competition between horde and alliance? Because the system of RBGs and Arenas introduced later on in the game is a lot more competitive than vanilla BGs. And letting premades run rampant against pugs all day is the opposite of competitive. Or are you referring to the ranking system itself? Because that’s not really competitive either, seeing as you can bot yourself to rank 13 gear and then you stand on a list waiting to be afforded rank 14 for one week. It’s more about time investment than any kind of skill.
Who you get paired against in a BG queue has nothing to do with brackets. It’s completely random. That’s why the premade vs pug thing is so despicable, if 90% of the opposite faction queue is premades then you just keep getting paired against a premade over and over.
I think it is a fair 2 sentences to pull out. When anyone disagrees with you, you just claim we are disregarding everything you said because all of it is so obviously unbiased and factual. At the same time belittling those who opted to engage you in honest 1v1 discussion.
You quote your Intro Logic 101 definitions trying to make it seem like it is everyone else is wrong because of some great philosophical fallicy but truth is alot of us have been down this road before. We dont want the game you want. We dont want the changes you want. We know where it leads.
So save your high and mighty act for a crowd that might actually fall for it because this isnt going to fly here.
Hey Kaivax,
we really think you should somehow give the community a response about the premades vs pugs situation, I am sure you are monitoring the issue. It is impossible to even open a ticket and talk with a gm. The community is mad with the premade steam rolling pugs, there are a lot of casual pvpers who just have time for a quick game, want to be given a fair chance and definately don’t want to get steam rolled by the die hard potted premades. Being a ghost in they gy and not ressing 90 seconds after bg starts it’s not the vanilla experience and I am sure it’s not what you guys have in mind for pvp as well. Please, don’t lurk and respond.
Stop pugging as horde if you don’t like it or keep getting stomped. The choice to reroll as alliance is there. And allies dont fight nearly as many premades.
Other than the fact that there appear to be many many of posts reflecting the same topic, its no longer “his assumption” when there are many others saying the same thing and trying to address the problem. Creating falsehoods, are what stupid people do, Congratulations sir.
Premades are fine. If you want to win, join a premade or start your own. Organization and communication in this game should never be punished just so people can play this like it’s a single player game.
Yep. And if you think about the way both factions engage in pvp and the que times it all adds up. Horde premades don’t ever give up for fast matches. Alliance premades do. This means that the allied premades are actually opening up more new games than any of the pugs are since the average pug match is 22 mins vs 5-10 for an allied premade. And they are getting sub 1 min q times.
Also there are a large number of horde that are not premading just so they can still take AV ques while no serious pvpers on ally side play AV at all.
OR learn to make friends and make your own group. This is a MMO afterall. The social/community aspect in this game IS NOT OPTIONAL. If you wish to succeed in this game you will need to make friends and combine forces.
100% troll. That is the worst possible composition you could ever make.
Ok?
So reroll or make friends and group up. The solutions are there. Just because you are too lazy or stubborn to make take action on those decision does not mean daddy blizz needs to step in.
There is communication in a BG whether you do a premade or random queue, just because we’re using BG chat instead of Discord doesn’t make it less valid. And just because you random queue doesn’t mean you’re the only player in the BG. I just don’t want to spend hours on my low pop server trying to form a premade. And neither am I promoting people to be punished for organizing, just that there should be a separate system for premades and a separate system for random Q. How many times do I have to state this argument?
Bro, for the last time, I don’t care if your enjoyment of the game hinges exclusively on you role-playing alliance and telling the entire world about it. 50% of the player base doesn’t agree with you, and shouldn’t be punished for it. Learn to empathize with people who disagree with you.
You’re still arguing queue times? Faster queue times only matter for people who don’t do and don’t want to PVP, because if you did, you would see that faster queue times only equate to convenience and not fun. If you’re from the generation of needing instant satisfaction, I can see how this is hard to understand, but it’s still wrong.
I don’t want to do AV. All the people in the random q’s for WSG and AB don’t want to do AV. I’m personally doing AB to get the leather shoulders. Otherwise I’d be doing WPvP because BGs don’t offer any enjoyment anymore. Learn how to empathize?
Because the players have changed. And you cannot have that back unless the players change back. They aren’t. So like the person you quoted said: Play the game you have, or don’t. But you cannot and will not control the playerbase.
This is the real issue. Unbalanced AV leads to free wins for Horde as Alliance doesn’t take it seriously. So instead of premading, so many horde would rather just take the free AV wins on long queues than to socialize, meet people and Premade AB/WSG the way Alliance does.
On alliance you see spam in LFG and other channels of Premade groups LFM; Never seen it on the horde server I play on.
So what exactly is your argument? “Changes bad! AHhhhhh”? Because the game is already changed. It was released with the classes as they were in the pre-TBC patch. There is cross-realm pvp. The largest servers are 2x and 3x the size that servers in vanilla ever were, some servers even have layering. There are free and paid server transfers, which weren’t implemented into the vanilla game until 2006, and had more restrictions than today. There are entire websites created for the vanilla game that detail the menutiae of every part of it, which never existed in vanilla. People are playing the game knowing exactly what’s going to be released in every patch. Furthermore, there’s 100 YouTube videos for every class teaching you exactly the best way to pvp or raid or farm gold.
So what would you call all of these if not changes? And what exactly is it about all these things that hasn’t changed the game from its 2004-2007 state? The game has changed, the players have changed, get over it. Stop being a fake purist, you’re the one with the “high and mighty” act. Separating premade queues from random queues would make it feel more like an MMO and less like a phone game, because then people would actually get to choose how they want to play. Isn’t that what made the old game so good? Choice?
Let me get this straight: You made one argument; “I want the game like it was in 2005”. I responded to you 4x on how the game is already changed. I debunked your argument 4x telling you that this 1 change would in fact make the game more like it was in '05. You haven’t come back with any examples of how it would make the game worse. And your final response is to go “waa waa waaaa you a meanie-head! I was just having honest 1v1 discussion”? Please bro, good day 2 you.
I was being facetious… I made other posts here where I say the player base is different. Splitting up premades from random Q is not controlling the player base, it’s allowing freedom of choice for people who want to pvp different ways. There’s nothing stopping you from communicating cross-faction through discord to organize horde-vs alliance premades on the server, but most premades don’t do this, instead opting to roll over the people who just want to random Q, ruining their chance to pvp. There are many things I still enjoy about classic that keep me playing it, I’m just asserting that this change would make the game better for a lot of people.
And some horde prefer to play AB or WSG. I see horde in AB and WSG all the time, just not premades.
Yeah, just not premades. We are lowkey just telling you why you dont see them on your side as much. The circumstances are different. Alliance turned to premades almost exclusively after they killed solo queing and casual play for us in AV by sticking us with a BS map.
Across all servers Alliance followed the same trend. Abandoned AV, started premades that persisted into AB and WSG. You cannot “undo” this. Its stuck this way. Theres always going to be way more Ally premades than Horde. And you will always be stuck facing them at a super high percentage
The map has been that way forever. In vanilla, players claimed it favored alliance, but it didn’t stop horde players from queue-ing for it. But I’m not even opposed to changing the map if it would make people happy/give people more choice on what BG they want to do, it’s just not the same problem as there being no separation between coordinated try-hards who want 12 hours of easy win and people who only have the time to jump into 1 or 2 BGs every day and want a challenging, fun experience.
Get wrecked I do not care that you chose a crappy situation for yourself. Roll ally if you want decent pug games end of story. Or wait for aq when the Ranking gear won’t be as sought after.
You keep spam posting my thread and don’t actually read other people’s posts. What’s the point? Is your life so empty you have to sit on a forum and get angry about something that doesn’t even effect you? This is my last response to you, after this I’m just going to flag all your posts if you keep posting the same troll nonsense.
For the last time, I don’t care if your enjoyment of the game hinges exclusively on you role-playing alliance and telling the entire world about it. 50% of the player base doesn’t agree with you, and shouldn’t be punished for it. Learn to empathize with people who disagree with you.
