Kicking system is flawed

was running a dungeon, died due to a rock, I had highest dps, no words were spoken at all, rezzed instantly and ran back to group, was kicked before reaching group. I now receive a 30 minute deserter debuff. Can not play game for 30 minutes.

Blizzard you need to fix this system, or at least allow the reporting system to acknowledge the toxicity of this. when I report someone for kicking for no reason, there needs to be an investigation, we are paying you real money to play this game, and when your community takes advantage of a flawed system to ruin other peoples experiences you will eventually lose your playerbase. We need a report button for wrongly being kicked.

If not that, I would highly recommend a warning system, when a group tries to kick you, you should be warned that, group is trying to remove you, and then give it another cooldown of say 10 minutes before you can be kicked. I think this system is so flawed, that it ruins the entire experience for many people, luckily people are not so kick heavy anymore, but it still ruins the experience for those who have a couple hours a day to play.

and yes before people start explaining the origins of the kicking system, i already know it. I have read these complaints several times. Blizzard just needs to do something.

What do you expect them to do? The kicking system is a simple matter of more than half the group doesn’t want to play with you. There aren’t officially good or bad reasons, and there doesn’t have to be a reason at all. Blizzard can’t force people to want to play with you…

I don’t understand how you imagine this could be practical. Do you have any idea of how many people they would need to employ to “investigate” all of the hostile interactions that people have in dungeons? It’s much simpler to just let players manage it with a majority vote.

You can’t be “wrongly” kicked. If 3 out of 5 people voted to remove you then you were “rightly” kicked. That is literally the only requirement. Three people don’t want you in the group. Just move on.

This is a horrible idea. If you have a group with someone making sexist/racist/harassing comments, or someone who is making it impossible to play, you can’t remove them for another 10 minutes??

The LFG system is optional. If you don’t like it you can just choose not to use it. If you decide to use it, you just need to understand going in it’s “at your own risk”. You may get a bad group, a silent group, a talkative group, a super skilled group, a rude group, etc. You might get kicked for no reason. If that happens, just do something else for 30 minutes. It really isn’t the big deal you’re making it.

You can’t queue PvE content for 30 minutes on the kicked character.

The only thing that should be reportable about kicks is inappropriate language in the reason box. Other than language violations, there is nothing that could be reportable with vote to kick. There’s no such thing as a wrongful kick.

Most dungeons aren’t even 10 minutes, and it takes 3 minutes to be able to kick. You think it should take at minimum 15 minutes to be allowed to kick someone? Absolutely not.

What do you mean there are no wrongful kicks? There absolutely is! People shouldn’t be kicked for playing the game and not failing mechanics, and not causing communication problems, doing highest DPS or tanking and keeping aggro, or keeping everyone alive as a healer.

In this instance I died to a rock. So I’ll take that I “failed mechanics” but there’s been other times I’ve been kicked or I’ve seen votes to kick just because people think it’s funny. How is that not a wrongful kick? Myself and everyone else pays to play this game, and to have my money be at the mercy of others is wrong imo. It’s like if you went to a restaurant and ordered a meal, and you only get a portion of what you paid for, you would be upset right? Now if you were throwing your food or causing an issue, then yes you should be removed from the restaurant.

You think because it’s a game, it doesn’t really matter, but it does. I cause zero issues in game, I don’t talk in any chat, I just play while watching videos on another screen, yet my money is being stolen because someone else thinks it’s funny

If the majority doesn’t want to play with you, and they remove you, that’s not a wrongful kick.

It often has nothing to do with that, though. I’ve seen people trolling and bragging about it, even. Putting things like “racist” in the comment box to have someone kicked so everyone just goes along with it. Then they laugh about it. I just got DC’d on my rogue in TW due to a random power blink. I came back as soon as I could, but I had been kicked. I get why they kicked me, but I should not have a debuff because of a power blink. It’s as if Blizzard doesn’t realize that what keeps people in these dungeons (DPS specifically) is the queue times… not the debuff. Now I have to wait 30 min before I can queue to wait another 30 min. The debuff doesn’t do what it’s intended to do, and more often than not I see players suffering from it who didn’t actually deserve to get it. If someone rage quits then they probably aren’t coming right back anyway. It doesn’t punish the people who actually rage quit. It punishes victims of random server DCs (happening a LOT lately), power blinks, Internet outages, trolls kicking for no reason, etc.

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The debuff is 100% working as intended. When they didn’t debuff on kicks, people who wanted to bail on a dungeon would afk and demand a kick because it was beneficial to be kicked compared to leaving the group manually.

I feel like for starters it should be similar to LFR kicks. You need a certain number of people to click the person themselves and initiate a vote to kick. Most of these dungeon kicks are prompted by one person only, and then the rest of the people vote yes because they can’t bother to read or just want the pop up off of their screen. If ~3 people had to click someone and vote to kick, I feel like that would solve a lot of the senseless kicks.

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I agree with you.

The 30 minute debuff is too long. 10 minutes is more than enough, even if it’s something as simple as “the group agreed they didn’t want to play with you”.

Fine, then make me wait no more than 10 minute before I can look again. I’ll consider what a naughty person I was in 10 minutes.

That runs into precisely the same issue as no penalty on a kick. If it is beneficial to be kicked, it is encouraging people to act poorly in hopes of a kick instead of just dropping group

Yet there’s no counter balance whatsoever to a group using the kick for any malicious reason? That’s not a good enough reason. At that point, get rid of deserter entirely. I’d rather the chaos of anarchists than a tyranny of the majority.

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You’ll find that much less fun when tanks leave after your 15 minute random queue because they just want 1 dungeon and have a 20-second queue time.

The counter balance there is it takes a majority, or a unanimous vote if anyone was grouped up prior to the dungeon.

Nah, there’s nothing for them to do. The “problem” you are seeing is a direct result of players exploiting and taking advantage of previous iterations.

What? It logged you out of the game for 30 minutes?