By having this in the game, blizzard is enabling toxicity in dungeons. So I play as prot warrior. I just had a monk decide that he didn’t want to queue for tank but decided to be in tank spec anyway. It’s just ridiculous that those doing the right thing are punished by a system that is supposed to protect people from toxic behaviour.
Not very good.
If they DIDNT have it, they would be enabling toxicity in dungeons with no way to deal with it. If someone is griefing your group and holding it hostage you would have to leave it and take the debuff yourself, or wait 15 mins until you can safely leave.
It’s used by groups to bully people. You don’t consider that toxic?
Then just have a kick feature without the penalty. No more hostage?
I didn’t even get a chance to wait 15 minutes.
Just want to point out an observation to the fact…
if you’ve studied previous posts and topics on the issue, you would notice that most, if not all, of the anti-RDF crowd actually defend and are for the debuff…
Not exactly coincidental.
They’re the ones that think a tank holding a group hostage is a much bigger problem than ensuring that they don’t have that power…
I don’t.
I’m not saying a kick isn’t warranted sometimes. It’s the penalty I have the issue with.
Right, but the excuses given for why it’s this way are to keep a tank from having that kind of power.
They argue that this current debuff system is the lesser of two evils…
I argue the opposite.
Dungeon queue, Deserter, monks? Sir, this is a wendys…
So do I. I don’t know why there needs to be a penalty for being kicked. People can kick for any reason they feel like.
It’s to keep the tank or anyone from trying to hold the group hostage and ask for a free exit from the dungeon without taking a deserter.
I don’t think it’s an issue as bad as they make it out to be.
Okay, it’s not m+, there is nothing on the line besides a couple of minutes. So what’s the problem if anyone wanted to leave? It doesn’t take long to get a replacement.
The whole ransom idea wouldn’t exist if there was no penalty. Just remove the penalty for kicks and leaves.
The idea is that the tank, usually a tank but can be any other, can’t force the team to use the kick feature on them just to get out of the dungeon without taking the debuff. That’s the general idea.
I personally think there’s nothing wrong with asking to be kicked (assuming there was no debuff for being kicked) so long as you don’t take the group hostage if they say no and you accept the no.
I agree. I don’t even think there should be a penalty for just leaving.
Solutions are simple but they can’t get around to implementing them…
Blacklisting so you only get the dungeons you want.
Make taking groups hostages officially a bannable offense and you won’t need the debuff at all.
Two easy options they could implement of the top of my head…
But what did they decide to go with…
What the Anti-RDFers think is a good idea…
Conflict of interest much?
I mean the idea is to reduce toxicity but it doesn’t. For instance, my group that I was in were all on the same server and the same guild. It was obvious what they were doing. Clearly deliberate behaviour.
This occurred after I questioned the monk, my exact words were “why didn’t you just sign up as a tank”. He was in BM. Clearly premediated rubbish.
If you want to tank, sign up as a tank lol. But that wasn’t the idea clearly.
During Wrath, I made a suggestion in Mythic + ToC dungeon to kill off the Black Knight’s ghouls and the fight would go much smoother, because the ghouls were causing them to wipe.
They threw me out as a result when I was the one carrying them. Ahh well.
Yeah maybe. I can understand the frustration, but I also feel that part of the role of tanking is shrugging things off. Is it really an issue if someone is playing their role “wrong?”
Sounds about right lol. It’s concerning to think that this generation of gamers are most likely the same gamers from 2012 (MoP), potentially further back than that. I would think most players are adults but clearly have yet to grow up.
Not sure that will be a popular opinion amongst tanks. I’m fairly chill most of the time. It’s the circumstances of what happened, deliberate trolling is what bothers me. Then I’m the one getting punished after doing the right thing. I’m not sure which tank would shrug things off after being penalized for 30 minutes for doing nothing wrong.
I mean, it’s a democratic system… I can understand the frustration, but according to the system, it is right.
Of course, you’ve left out the parts of the story between the monk being in a tanking spec, and you having a 30 minute “penalty.” And to be sure, I’m not saying I agree with the system, but I’ve played within it enough to know how it works.
How did I leave out that part of the story?
The penalty really makes me consider if the timeout is an acceptable result for kicking a person.
Last night in one of the groups a vote came up to kick the tank with the reason (noob tank) die the group nearly wiping. I voted no because the guy was trying and the real reason for the near wipe was the healer paying more attention to topping the DPS meter than actually healing the tank. We were able to finish the dungeon, but I did throw more rejuvs and healing touches than I normally would have.