Khadgar's statue should be removed from Stormwind in a future update

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Before i make my point i’d like to make it clear that i don’t hate the guy, he’s a great character, one of the warcraft 2 OGs and for sure did a lot of good for Azeroth. Just so we’re on the same page here.

However, i don’t see why Stormwind should keep his statue at the Valley of Heroes. See, those statues were made to honor five famous Alliance heroes for their accomplishments in favor of their faction.

The problem is: Khadgar is not an Alliance hero, at least not anymore.

If the purpose of the place was to honor “Heroes of Azeroth” and not “Heroes of the Alliance” i’d be ok with keeping a statue of Khadgar there, hell, they could even add in Thrall, Cairne, Varok Saurfang and other Horde heroes too and i wouldn’t care. But that’s not what that place is for, that place is for heroes of the Alliance specifically.

Khadgar is the one who articulated for Dalaran to return to being neutral, essentially getting rid of one of the Alliance’s biggest assets being the Kirin Tor. I’m not here to argue wether that decision was good or bad for Azeroth in general, but it was a big hit on the Alliance’s power for sure. He acted against the best interests of the Alliance, in doing that, he severely undermined his prior pro-alliance deeds, that’s not what heroes of the alliance do, thus, he shouldn’t be hailed as one anymore and his statue should be removed.

I’m sure the Horde wouldn’t be very thrilled if Lor’themar, for example, made Silvermoon a neutral city like Dalaran. After all, we have Thalassians in both factions and Silvermoon has been allied with both factions in different points of history. And Khadgar still means much more to the Alliance in terms of accomplishments than Lor’themar to the Horde.

So, that’s why i came to the conclusion that Blizzard should remove his statue from the Valley of Heroes and replace it with someone else’s in a future update. My suggestions being Jaina, Uther, Maraad or Velen. It really shouldn’t be much work for a company their size.

EDIT: I was convinced that i was wrong. I no longer abide by the things i said in this post or my replies. Thanks for everyone who awnsered.

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Exactly, it was to honor their accomplishments. His current ‘neutrality’ doesn’t remove those. He still did all that he did for the Alliance. Taking the statue away is basically saying those great acts don’t matter. We wouldn’t remove one if one of the characters died (hence not being part of the faction anymore) either.

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Ok, then let me give you an example of why i don’t agree with that logic.

Say that a friend of yours saved your life ten years ago, you’re very grateful to him and then decide to make a huge poster of him and hang it on your wall.

Then this same guy, tem years later, comes into your house, kills your dog, and then leaves after waving at you and saying “oops, my bad!”.

Would you really want to keep the dang poster on your wall? To wake up every morning and have to take a look at his face?

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Except Khadgar hasn’t done anything equivalent to that. Him advocating for Dalaran neutrality to better fight against the threats facing Azeroth does not equate to him barging into your house and killing your dog in any reality.

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I’ll start by saying I think making a statue the size of several buildings has a much grander effect that hanging a poster. This is an issue of scale where Khadgar has helped thousand if not millions of lives.

Maybe in this metaphor he saved my entire family.

Khadgar didn’t do anything equivalent of killing my dog, he’s continued throughout Burning Crusade, Warlords of Draenor, and Legion as being a huge help towards saving the world. And (in the background supposedly) helping in Battle for Azeroth to heal the world.

He’s not eating Turalyon’s soul or something. He’s not tarnished his legacy.

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That’s a while other argument. I really don’t want to get into the whole “Dalaran being neutral is good for everyone” argument here because this deserves a topic of it’s own.

I’ll just say that not everyone agrees that it was a move that ended up benefitting everyone.

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Khadgar was right to keep the Kirin tor out of this.

The Alliance chose to start this war by launching an assault on a Kirin Tor sanctioned expedition, it’d be asinine to expect help from the Kirin tor after.

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That’s a whole other can of worms. The purpose of my post was about Khadgar’s status as an alliance hero and not which one of the factions is right or wrong.

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I mean, even if people would be salty about Dalaran not being involved, there’s no cause for anyone to be so emotionally scarred by Khadgar’s neutrality advocating that they’d feel like he walked into their house out of the blue and killed their dog.

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It is debatable weather his legacy was tarnished or not. I think it was, it might have cost the Alliance several battles in BfA for example.

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What character in a position of power would advocate for Khadgar’s statue’s removal on these grounds?

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It’s not about being emotioamlly scarred, is about proclaiming yourself to be neutral, taking action against your faction’s interests and still having a huge statue and their capital.

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What action? What actions did Khadgar take that were expressly against the Alliance’s interests that would merit the destruction of his memorial for services rendered that resulted in the salvation of the Alliance in addition to the many years he spent working for the common good in the years since his return to prominence?

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Jaina could very well advocate for that. She was pretty damn pissed after Dalaran became neutral again. And Anduin seems to listen to her advice a lot.

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Jaina of the current patch who is now an advocate for peace with the Horde? Hardly.

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I don’t think continued efforts in the interest of the world for years instead of involving himself in a war he doesn’t agree with is anything of a tarnishing.

This would be like removing my friend’s poster because he wouldn’t co-sign a loan for a car. Not really ‘killing my dog’ level.

You can believe focusing on saving the world over a faction war is tarnishing his legacy. To me, it isn’t even much of a negative.

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Peace or war with the Horde has nothing to do with the whole situation.

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Yes it does, because that’s the entire reason for your argument on why Khadgar’s statue should be removed. If Jaina is currently cool with peace with the Horde, why would she spitefully advocate for this kind of demerit towards Khadgar for essentially the same position?

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Because when Khadgar did that there was no prospect of peace with the Horde and it was objectively a massive hit to the Alliance’s millitary power.

If your argument is that the satue should be kept because his pro alliance deeds shouldn’t be forgotten, then why should his deeds against it be forgotten and pardoned?

That’s what i meant when i said that the diplomatic status of the alliance and Horde dosen’t matter to the situation at hand.

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Firstly, the Alliance did not take a major hit in military power with Dalaran returning to neutrality in Legion, not BFA. Its a loss in forces, but the Alliance is still a global superpower.

Secondly, he has NO deeds against it to be pardoned except for abstaining from a war. Which isn’t an action, it is inaction at best, and inaction probably taken because the planet was dying in the backdrop.

Thirdly, no, the diplomatic status of the Alliance and Horde is still very much pertinent to the discussion because unless that statue was taken down during BFA, then the climate that it gets taken down is now, and that climate is very much in support of peace with the Horde for the time being. THAT’s the climate that someone has to be like “Khadgar didn’t join our war against the Horde. PURGE ALL MONUMENTS OF HIM!” for his statue to get taken down right now.

Sure, maybe it can be removed by displeased peasants, but there’s no one in a proper position of authority that’s going to be so petty as to remove a man’s statue because he arrived at a position of non-hostility with the Horde before them and even before they had reason for hostility. Anduin’s not going to do it, Turalyon isn’t going to do it, Jaina isn’t going to advocate for it…

For the statue to come down like you want, the history and characterization of the characters must be bent against their current iterations.

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