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Both lower and upper are overtune. It’s insane the damage we take! Please nerf the 2 dungeons asap!
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you can nerf it yourself by lowering the key level.
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Its over tuned in low keys as well so basically running a 2 probably will 1 shot you.
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While this is true…the OP is correct. The dungeons are over-tuned
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Nah, Flame Wreath is ticking for 25k on a +15 and is almost unhealable. There is nothing that comes even remotely close to being that lethal on a 15.
People are timing 21s of the WoD dungeons, 22s of Workshop, 23s of Gambit, and 25s of Streets and Junkyard (the latter of which has already been 2-chested). There is exactly ONE timed 21 and ONE timed 20 of each Karazhan dungeon, while Iron Docks at least has a long, long list of timed 20s. There are more timed 20s of every other dungeon than there are of timed 18 Lowers at the moment.
These two dungeons are massive, massive outliers.
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interesting.
Upper was amongst the easiest M+ in its day…
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Upper was fun.
I only did +2 yesterday, I think. I just attributed it being a bit hard, due to people not knowing mechanics. Looks like it’s due to the fact that it is overtuned though.
Lower Kara is just an utter mess.
Khadgar is disappointed. 
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You had artifact weapons and other systems. Sounds like these dungeons weren’t tuned to the shadowlands systems or there little sub system that scales you.
I’m not running M+ i don’t do all the hardcore stuff but this is just what i suspect is the case.
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What level Upper were you running? I barely felt a thing on +10 earlier.
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OH! Some people seem to be having a fine time. I think it might be that little buff they gave you to be able to do old content with the level squish. Maybe they are using it to tune the players for it and the hidden buff malfunctioned.
Its ok nerf is coming… I give it a few days… but for real, does blizz not test their products ? They just throw out numbers , this another 9.0 lol ?
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I wonder if it’s the affix for 10+ affecting things?
Did a 3 the other night and holy that stuff was just melting people.
Then again our tank kept leeroy pulling things. We still timed it but it was really rough.
That definitely doesn’t happen.
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A DH was 1shot by pennies in a +2 lower yesterday. Couldn’t believe it but I saw it happen. Tony and Mrrgia ok. More deaths to maiden and Moroes.
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please nerf the lower kara walk of tears back to your corpse taking a millenia.
and also the attumen ghost debuff its too hard to see on moving targets dont make it so small and transparent.
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Of course they test it. After it goes live, people pay to test it.
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Well it did kinda wish I was recording it. Looked at death logs the dispel on the horse boss basically insta killed in 1 global.
I know the argument will be well healer should dispelled correctly, but 1 missed dispell shouldnt basically delete everyone from the active fight.
Also 3rd boss, bad with names not online. One with 4 adds you trap. Think the one with the big aoe swing also just 1shots dps
Can confirm lower kara especially is massively overtuned. Did it on a 15 and the key basically required the healer to be doing 17k HPs on bosses. We did it as a guild group in discord - in its current state I’d say anything above a 12+ is unpuggable.
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On Upper Kata the only thing that kept killing us was someone constantly tripping flame wreath.
I struggled on a Lower Kara but I just assumed the tank was bad.
lmao.
At first sight i’ve thought upper was overtuned too, but today I timed a 15 there and it was pretty easy with everyone knowing what to do, the timer is suuuuuuper lenient.
But lower is a trainwreck, jesus christ, that first boss you can’t be hit by ANYTHING or you die. And if you pass the first boss then you go to the party saloon, and OMG, I have never been so bullied in my whole life, not even high school days can compete with that,
The only one I was able to complete was a 10, over by 13 minutes, lol
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