No, it’s your attitude along with 90% of others that post here that the nerfs are bad because casuals can now clear the content at the end of the phase. It’s really disgusting if I have to be honest. If someone gets a 100D 3 months after me what does it matter? What effect does it have on me? We have logs to show how awesome I am and prove I did the fight when it was hard. Bragging rights are intact. That loot the casual gets simply doesn’t matter. Should I have been mad that someone that couldn’t clear Naxx got the equivelant gear out of Kara for low effort? It’s the same argument… Imagine all the people that will be rocking ZA gear that is on par with BT gear and they didn’t have to put in the time! It’s so unfair… This is what you guys sound like. It’s pathetic!
Casuals don’t research a game. Our hunter raids with his cat since Winterspring; he picks talents based on tooltips, and uses non-Agility gems to save costs. The nerfs is for these people. Most guilds would have some, those with many are stuck at 8/10. Let them have fun, OK?
These nerfs were for the people stuck or for people on break catching up. That’s pretty much it, can go back to retail if it bugs you that much. The accomplishment was downing these guys pre nerf. Been there, done that, I don’t care if bad players or casuals get loot now because I know I’m a good player.
I don’t think people would be complaining if they had just waited until BT to introduce the nerfs. The good guilds move on to the next tier. The bad guilds get nerfs to the prior tier and get to clear it. That’s how original TBC was designed.
People are complaining because it was early. Now we’re stuck with snoozefest raid content for the next couple of months. They outright ruined some very fun and excellently designed encounters while it’s still current content.
Has nothing to do with “bragging rights”. This is content that 70% of the raiding pop was clearing pre-nerf. People want some semblance of difficulty or hard to achieve things to keep their engagement, and you dismissing that as some sort of “elitism” is absurd.
Casuals WERE cleaning this content, if you had difficulty this late into P2 I would think you would struggle with day to day tasks like making a cup of coffee or driving a car.
I dont think keeping Vashj MC for 3 months was intended. They can do whatever with their game. If you had 3 months of hard content, let the less progressed players get some actions.
the only huge downside to the nerfs: ‘high end’ guilds will not make as much gold selling raid spots. why buy gold for a carry when you can do the content with your guild now?
Far less than 50% were clearing this content pre-nerf. Learn to math. It’s still less than 50% as of today have full cleared and thats only guild’s that log. The real number is even worse.
I looked it up. Persuasion was removed from the Vashj fight with the Black Temple patch (2.1), which was 5 months after release. I just think they should have stuck with that original formula. Nerf the old content when you release the new, but not before.
Nobody complained about the T4 nerfs, because they waited until T5 came out before introducing them.
The t4 nerfs weren’t needed for any real percentage of people to move onto the next content. These nerfs were needed for the majority of players to move on.
No, the reality is a majority were 10/10. You were begging for nerfs on content that over 50% of the playerbase was already clearing; having 100% of your playerbase clear current content is miserable game design.
There already was no content.
This effectively killed the game so LFR players with no monitors could play the game.
P3 better be announced soon or it’ll actually kill the game if we are doing this until February
Go to warcraft logs, change it to united states, and add… its still less than 50%
So your reason for nerfs was that one region wasn’t killing it at the same rate the others were?
These are the united states forums… Get over yourself
And I’m talking about the quality of the game as a whole.
ok, all regions… 14k:12k TODAY. It was less than 50% worldwide pre-nerf. Being that there is going to be a higher percentage of 10/10 guilds logging than those less than 10/10 it was probably much more than 50% that didn’t clear pre-nerf. Math is math, you can’t argue it.
That accounts for gdkps, alt runs, pugs, etc. That’s not specifically “guilds”. If we’re talking about the fights that people are stuck on, it’s Vashj and KT, which were the original nerfs that they were going to do. 75% are 10/10 now.
You can cry about how the nerfs are a good thing or that 10/10 guilds are elitist, but the reality is that super casual guilds were getting 10/10 with basic consumes and strategy.
oh stop trying to twist data to fit your arguement. Less than half of the logs for the content cleared it, period. I don’t care what type it was. GDKP runs tend to actually have higher clear rates because there is more incentive to do so. Yes, guilds of all types were clearing it but the majority were not and the majority of those characters would not be able to enter the new content on day 1 and that is BAD game design and a bad business decision. That is the facts
Ok Karen. Reality doesn’t support your opinion.