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It is a titan but the constructs were built by other titans.
Sounds like propaganda to me bro. Maybe the Frost Trolls had some dark practices, so what? Maybe they just wanted to mind their own business and live in the snowy hills of Dun Morogh and then you Dwarves mowed em all down and said “don’t were bout it they ere evil” afterwards? Maybe they act violent now cause they are an oppressed people just tryin’ fight back against their occupiers. It’s like orcs saying “the night elves were savages anyways they attacked us on sight so they deserve everything they get”.
I wasn’t talking about hack brew I was replying to the person who said “that’s just the real world”
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The Zandalari literally exiled the Drakkari/Frost trolls because they were to savage, blood thirsty and nasty. Even other trolls thought they were bad
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“Justice” is a funny way of spelling “Extermination”.
But they’re made from the actual minerals that comprise her flesh. The Titanforged are probably about the closest thing Azeroth will have to literal children.
Erybody sayin’ all these excuses when in all these different scenarios it’s never the Trolls going for the kill on first meeting.
Aqir try to kill everything and take over in the name of the Old Gods, Trolls fight back.
Night Elves decide to try out their fun new toy and the Trolls are a convenient target, Trolls fail to fight back.
Drakkari move in up North, somehow the Taunka, Wolvar, Kalu’ak, Vrykul, etc didn’t end up in bloody war against them despite this ‘bloodthirsty reputation’
The Highborne(same guys who broke the Empire of Zul a few generations ago) move in on Amani sacred land despite it being incredibly close to Zul Aman itself, surprised when the Trolls take umbrage.(I give them a bit of leeway here though, they were basically a refugee population and were desperate)
Dwarves wake up, see space is occupied by Trolls: “Imma move in here anyway”
Humans spend thousands of years in Arathi, proceed to split up and expand into other Troll held places after teaming up to thrash the Amani, who despite being bloodthirsty savages(as all Trolls displaced somehow are) never went on to exterminate their Human neighbors during that millennia long period.
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I don’t believe this is correct. Can someone clarify?
The property rights of alien robots is a fascinating legal quandary, though. I put it right up there beside undead property rights.
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Well thankfully the Titans haven’t claimed Azeroth as theirs. Which… would be like, slavery, I think, if they tried. Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes, however, are descended from the constructs literally made from the stone and metal of Azeroth. One could argue that they are the direct children of Azeroth, and therefor, their descended races (Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes), are the proper heirs to Azeroth.
couldn’t have said it better myself. its all excuses and propaganda to try and get around the truth that they’re colonizers. i give no leeway to the highborns either really. people being call the trolls savages and bloodthirsty yet the highborns were the ones responsible for abusing the arcane and letting the legion almost destroy azeroth. why should i care when they get exiled if they wanna say trolls deserve everything because they’re “savages”?
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Its stated in chronichles that the titan ordered the planet, and there was no life on it besides the elementals and black empire. After the well of eternity was created by them, the magic it gave off spread out across the world to nourish life
The Well accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth, and it caused sentient beings to evolve from the land’s primitive life forms.
So without the titans trolls wouldn’t even exist as it was the well and its magic that helped life originally grow
yeah the well of eternity is what it says help spread the planets indigenous life but see that’s still indigenous and at this time the dwarves and humans and all them ancestors were still robotic constructed foreigners. also though the retconning is so dumb but w/e ill accept it.
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Except they arent ‘foreigners’
the Earthen were made literally out of the planets skin. They were made out of the planet herself.
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made by the titans not evolved. and then they were inflicted with the curse of flesh.
- without said curse of flesh we would all be dead to the old gods.
- without the titanforged all the trolls/troll precursor race would have ended up dead due to the old gods.
- considering the old gods covered most of Azeroth, it can be surmised the Titanforged/alliance race progenitors had set foot/explored said land long before the troll empires had risen. So they were there first long before the trolls.
but they did not settle the land first because they did not need to. the fact remains by the time the fleshed cursed progeny of the titan forged races got around to wanting to set up shack they decided to ruthlessly slaughter and pillage from the trolls.
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I’d consider the troll squatters in lands they never really had any claim to. Again best case scenario those lands were titanforged lands, worse case elemental land.
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they had claim to those lands because they were the first to actually build settlements and live in them… also, they’re indigenous, they grew up out of azeroth even if the process was rapidly spread up by the well of eternity.
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Are titan constructs the children of Azeroth or are they more like forsaken abominations. If I cut off your hand and animate it like Addams family can I use it to claim your inheritance later ?
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No? It’d still be my hand, and you’d still be totally unrelated to me.
If said hand was sentient (like Thing, from the Addams Family), they could make a claim for the inheritance. But not you, being still unrelated.
I’m not sure exactly what kind of analogy you were going for. The closest would be if the Titans that made the Titanforged made some kind of claim over Azeroth. But they haven’t.
While I see what you are going for here OP, your argument kinda falls flat. While yes, the Frostmane tribe was living in Dun Morogh before the dwarves arrived, that does not mean they should be given total control of the territory forever. Trolls were lucky that they were able to expand before anyone else, so they were allowed pick the best lands, but that also means they had to defend these lands from anyone else who wanted to expand.
When the Frostmane were unable to prevent the much stronger dwarves from taking their land, they were kinda out of luck. Right of Conquest exists for a reason, especially in a period that would probably be referred to as Pre-History on Azeroth.
The same goes for the Amani and Gurubashi in the north and south. In fact, one of the reasons why the Drakkari was such an interesting empire of trolls is because they managed to hold their lands (until the Scourge started attacking).
You need the strength to maintain your culture, otherwise those stronger then you have the right to take whatever they want. It’s the inherent competition in civilization building.
And yes, that is an argument for colonialism, and it sucks, but the alternative is for the trolls to control every inch of Azeroth, besides the Centaur and Tauren living in the plains of Kalimdor and having all the Titanforged races living underground in Titan facilities until they die out.
With that said, I do think their should be justice for the various tribes of trolls. The Zandalari had a good idea in Cataclysm to form a union with all the tribes to bring a return to troll culture and stop the extermination of their race. However, they made the common mistake of waging war in the name of pride, wanting to conquer all the world and crush any power that stands up to them, rather then a) Finding a homeland for all trolls or b) negotiating with the larger powers to allow peaceful troll settlement in lands important to them.
Imagine if the Zandalari had gathered the trolls, and instead focused their efforts on negotiating an end to the war with the Blood Elves and allowed Zul’Aman to rebuild and prosper without spilling blood. If Zul’Gurrub and Zul’Farrak had made an agreement with the Steamweedle Cartel, a peace agreement and the opening of trade.
The Zandalari at this time were the only troll power with enough influence and wealth to return troll civilization without the need to continue fruitless wars.
The true bane of the various troll cultures and tribes is not the other races that settled around Azeroth; it’s that the trolls refuse to find a way to live in peace with their neighbours.
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