True.
They were definitely “affiliated”, I mean the entirety of the horde was operating out of their capital - even if they had not officially signed on the dotted line to serve the horde yet.
Regardless, a much deserved whooping by the allies.
Also true.
Alliance is the kids cartoon faction
retaliation for delivering a WMD to Garrosh
Never happened, she planned to make a giant wave to destroy Orgrimmar and Garrosh after the mana bomb in order to save many more lives from Garrosh. Had she actually pulled it off, the tragedies of Pandaria would never have happened, The Iron Horde would never have formed, the Legion would have been unable to invade preventing the deaths in legion, and this would have had a huge domino effect which would have also stopped the Teldrasil burning (because the Arbiter would still be around, making the burning plan to get more souls in the maw never form). Much like the WWII nukes, death of many to save the greater number.
The options were: Imprisonment or Death, the Alliance gave the Horde a get out of jail free card by putting them in internment camps.
Thrall was a special case and is the only example of Orcs being forced into slavery and that was because he was found as a child and raised by a corrupt noble, the rest of the internment camps were prisoners of war.
Also: The Horde regularly enslaves people for pit fighting.
That was one guy and the Blood Elves choose Fel Adddiction, many many High Elves exist today that never handled the fel, they chose that.
Sylvanas turned her back on the Alliance in their time of need and led to the death of Varian, which was effectively betrayal and an act of war. The Alliance was entirely unaware that they were forced off the Alliance’s flank by demons due to how weak they are.
The Alliance (As seen in the raid by players themselves, which is the canon version) offered him the chance to surrender, he adamantly refused and wanted a fight to the death because of his over confidence, and then was killed by Bwomsamdi after he got tired of being ordered around, the Alliance could not have taken him alive.
Warlocks did that and as we are painfully aware, warlocks tend to act on their own for their own interests regardless of who they claim to be allied to.
I could list about 100x more events the Horde did that caused all of the problems you claim the Alliance brought about. Literally everything the Alliance has done was necessitated by the Horde. The Horde isn’t even native to Azeroth. You’re literally alien invaders.
Correct.
Correct. IF you think there is Alliance favoritism then you and I aren’t playing the same game. Blizz has always been biased towards the Horde, they’re just crap writers so you feel like being their special little snowflake is a disservice because you get bad lore.
At least you GET lore, the Alliance out here fighting for scraps of attention.
“Atrocities” she put you in jail, and killed those who tried to kill her (horde side only), after you conspired to bring a WMD to Garrosh and whom nearly used it to mutate his army into unstoppable killing machines were it not for Anduin.
My point being; who needs ‘justice’; it’s a Game, thankfully, and no reference to genocide is really necessary.
Yup. Pretty much. Blizz knows if they make the alliance the aggressors for once and actually call them out on the bs they’ve done, then the little alliance babies would cry foul and claim horde bias.
When I was growing up, the historical narrative suggested that the bad people were punished at Nuremburg. The others were actually okay if for no other reason than they opposed a common enemy of the Cold War. Since then, more recent, less cold war tainted, narratives suggest that others who might have been damned for crimes against humanity, escaped retribution and not just the ones from your ‘certain historical country’. It would seem that, with regards earth history, political concerns carry more weight than moral ones.
So, to my mind, in this make believe world there was a penalty that was paid. While it may seem lacking, it doesn’t seem a lot different to me than that of earth history. I’m not surprised at the result. Last time I looked, there was still a gigantic sword sticking in the planet and the scourge should have run amok when the lich king was deposed. These devices served their purpose in their xpac but now it’s time to ignore and move on. I’m sure some book will be written which will explain all the anomalies away.
Ok but how do this change the fact that the Horde are always poorly manipulated victims at the end when they mess up?
Not to mention that the scale of their mess ups far outweights those of the Alliance with the possible exception of Arthas.
Garorsh wanting to control the world.
The Orcs coming through the portal to control the world.
Sylvanas wanting to mess up the entire universe.
I am glad that you mention killing the Zandalari leader. When an excuse the Horde players use for Theramore was that “It was allowing the Alliance to move so it was a valid military target.” But watch out here eh, the Alliance attacked an innocent city, the poor King was only allowing the Horde to stay and strenghten their defenses after they burned a whole city. Even if in the end, Zuldazar is in far better conditions than Theramore for doing worse things than Theramore did, and with lesser reasons. Nathanos should have told the Zandalari they were running because they burned down a whole city and were being chased. I am sure Rastakhan would’ve understood. 
Not to mention that the Horde attacked Kultiras as well, even impaling innocent merchants while their children watched them dead.
Evil Alliance, evil Alliance!
Was not in the Alliance…
Again, was not in the Alliance and came to her senses before she actually did it.
The Orcish army that invaded our world from another world thru a portal we could not activate. And army who’s sole purpose was to kill everyone and take this world for their own. An army that was working for the Legion of all things. But you are right, they should have been executed instead. It would have saved the Alliance a lot of problems in the future.
Maybe the Alliance could have done more to help them after Arthas nearly finished them off but it’s not like Arthas didn’t screw kill off the leading Alliance member and cause another to seal it’s borders to save themselves. So not only was it a different Alliance, it was one in tatters.
I will agree that his outright attack in the Horde ship was a bit much but his interference with Slyvanas’s plan was justified.
You mean after they allowed their city and lands to be used by the Horde to attack the neutral KTs? This is another Theramore situation to be fair. When you allow one side of a conflict to use your neutral city as a military staging area, you no longer get to cry foul when you are attacked for it.
Well at least try and find some valid ones next time…
Even then that’s not the Alliance’s fault. That’s actually the HORDE’S fault because Ner’zhul was the one who mind controlled Arthas, started the cult of the damned, and began raising undead as the Lich King.
Nuances considered, the logic (placative as it might be as intended for the masses) that those who carried out certain actions from a leadership position should be held to a lesser degree responsible for whatever part played seems reasonable.
A stupid narrative put in to drive the AvH conflict, at one point I recall it was going to be the quillboar doing that. Also, I will note IF the Horde player had some indication this happened, it would possibly add fuel to the idea Sylvanas needed to be removed from power, we got NOTHING related to it. Though I am sure there would be some Horde players cheering such.
Never in the player Horde, blaming the Horde for Arthas would be similar to blaming the alliance for him, as it was Kil’jaeden, an eredar, which is the same base race as the draenei, was the one to turn Ner’zul into the Lich King after Ner’zul ran when he was defeated by the Original Alliance. Also, there is the little fact that, after the events of WCIII: The Frozen Throne, the part that was Ner’Zul was killed by Arthas.
Alliance is the favored faction because they at least get justification for their actions in the story, Horde players only hear about these things after they happen or from Alliance players unless the one in question plays both factions.
What ones like you don’t get is when you have nothing but trash to eat, you hit a point you would rather go hungry for a while. You might be fighting for scraps, but the Horde is throwing up from what they get.
Each of us has our own moral imperative. For myself (and all my nelf toons (which are in a majority on retail)), I was 100% behind the night warrior solution and felt betrayed when Elune withdrew her power and let Sylvanas live. I believe Tyrande’s judgement of Sylvanas was not Tyrande’s but Elune’s.
Elune did not intervene when the tree burned expecting that most souls would end up in Ardenweald to aid her sister. When she found out otherwise, she said “Then I have condemned my favored children”. Sending Sylvanas into the maw was the only way Elune could redeem her choice. ‘They’ try to make out that it was Tyrande’s decision but I choose not to believe that. Tyrande has said “Only the Goddess may forbid me anything”. She was the night warrior. Clemency was not on her agenda. My nelfs’ ‘quarrel’ was with Sylvanas, not the rest of the Horde. Now their quarrel is with Elune. As always, your mileage may vary.
You really should vet your goddesses better otherwise you get burned
It is indeed a dumb narrative, I agree. Imo, the entire BFA war felt very forced and following Sylvanas to do that was enough for me to even abandon the Horde in that expansion. Yet another evil Warchief making us do things?
No thanks.
Yeah but Arthas was to blame a bit there, too. He was obsessed with the Dreadlord and with getting a sword that was painfully obvious to be the most anti Paladin sword. Though thanks to BFA, we know he was having doubts and Uther did not guide him well. But still…
Thing is, the Horde story was free from that kind of thing, we don’t even get a quest that takes us to the town that was attacked let alone take part in these atrocities. Most we did were more the surgical strikes or infiltration deals. This is more a case of “Blizzard writes Horde NPCs doing things, makes no mention of it during the Horde side, yet Horde players get lumped in with the NPCs due to faction”.
Depends, as I ended up doing the quests after to unlock Zandalari. There are quests where the Horde story did things.
Mistweaver Nian is one in the Tiragarde Sound assault.
Mistweaver Nian says: Please… The people here… need… healing… As do you…
Mistweaver Nian says: This is a house of peace. Have you no respect for the injured?
As is trying to kill Baine. Do not recall much more, but I saw several instances in there.
pss… justice?
what will you say about the Worgens that died in Teldrassil, it is too hypocritical to speak of justice to an expansion that the devs themselves are wanting to forget when Dragonflight arrives
Never meant to imply 100% innocence, but when it comes to atrocities like
were absent from the Horde story.
Bit hard to take the assaults as canon due to them being repeating events
I don’t recall doing that, I recall going in to save him alongside Jaina and Thrall.
They are canon. Warfronts were canon in the story. At least the first time. And is the Horde who participates in that.
Unsure if it happens in the Horde side, but I kinda recall a video where Sylvanas accuses Baine in a Horde meeting. And instead of the Horde ganking the crazy girl up there as Nathanos was pointing his arrows at Baine, they did nothing.
Didn’t learn anything from Garrosh in this narrative.
Found the video.
That’s because baine was a traitor. Doesn’t matter why, he still betrayed his warchief. In any universe or even in our reality, treason is met with death.