Imma be real. At lv 60, survival hunter without flayed shot feels extremely lacking. It’s bad. It’s real bad. Hopefully that isn’t the case at lv 70.
I was thinking about what (other than the loss of half my damage) could also be a cause of how bad this feels. I’m kind of under the impression that it’s because flayed shot reduces your reliance on your pet tremendously.
The cheap kill shot procs definitely help bridge the gap for the almost complete loss of combat ability when your pet is immobilized or killed.
Also, currently if you nuke sv hunters pet you pretty much cripple them. The loss of flayed shot drops damage by almost 50%. The loss of the pet drops that damage by at least another 50%. This coupled with the squishy class isn’t good at all.
That’s rough.
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Unfortunately without the tier set bonuses SV has dropped hard in overall damage. It looks like SV is going back to the bottom.
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I’m using this build for now and its not bad as Kyrian. I played Kyrian since day one and never changed it, Its a OK build for M+ and in solo shuffle I switch to this build
I Change between steel trap and serpent sting based on team composition
Yes the rotation is gonna feel lacking prob even at level 70.
The biggest issue being that most of the fun procs and interactions are behind your cds, Coordinated assault and Spearhead will def feel fun to use but outside of them it may not be as fun.
SV is just missing one 2 talents like old vipers venom and something that makes serpent sting behave like flayed shot to add some zest to the non cd rotation and it will be set.
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I’ve found a build I’m pretty happy with right now [I predominantly pvp] but I was thinking about the very thing the other day, so I went to Org and tried the dummies there without Flayed shot, and yeah, my dmg was horrible.
19-20k dumbed down to 9-10.k
That’s not going to work lol
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This isn’t a dps issue its a rotation one, plus everyone is going to be hurting without their covenant until we get our tier set.
ST i really don’t see sv having any problems, aoe we may take somewhat of a hit but i see butchery builds may make sv somewhat on in mythics but no where near where we are now.
I freaking love survival with flayed shot, I’ll be so sad when it goes
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Is there a viable build that does not use Mongo Bite?
Lacerate should return and replace flayed. Survival feels like poo w/out flayed - I can’t stress this enough.
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Don’t get me wrong though. Everything feels pretty good right now in arenas and by WITH covenant abilities. The moment you drop them it becomes not so great.
Survival will need to be in melee a lot more in DF. Once you expend your bombs, explosive shot, death chakrams, if Eagle is down you will be spamming mongoose bites.
Not a coincidence Coordinated Assault and Spearhead are 40 and 50 yd gap closers respectively. Also Flanking Strike hits like a truck.
Remains to be seen how survival will function defensively spending a lot more time in melee range.
I hate mongoose bite. I don’t carry, it ever. It creates a massive priority skew in the rotation and, quite frankly, is boring. You become even more of a one button machine with mb.
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I like mongoose bite. I can understand why people dont though. But losing flayed shot and kill shot procs isnt going to change needing to use mongoose or not. In my testing survival damage is actually competitive with most classes. I dont miss flayed shot at all. In fact I played Necro Surv most of SL anyway. That said, I realize I am in the minority on that and I will admit I was surprised serpent sting is a talent and flayed shot is not.
If Blizzard gives SS the ability to proc KS I think they would make a lot of hunters happier.
Depends on what you mean by “viable”. Raptor stike instead of Mongoose is going to be less dps. Right now it seems to be a lot less.
Taking the talents I would spend on mongoose bite buffs and spending them elsewhere might make it a competitive option depending on tuning.
It feels like the dragon flight kit was designed while putting flayed shot as the center piece, and then removing the center piece.
Well, changes are still happening, maybe just maybe, someone will say heh, maybe we should give SV flayed shot with the pouch.
I mean maybe it could happen?
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Aside from flayed shot I really wish CA didn’t charge you to the target. Instead give harpoon 2 charges w/ a 50 yard range
But like others have mentioned flayed should take stampede’s position. stampede is useless as survival
Since the loss of the tier set bonuses, I find myself in single target in one of these two minigames:
- if I have a red bomb proc, lots of KC spam
- If I don’t, lots of MB spam, using Flanking Strike and Chakram as wannabe Thistle Teas to keep MB spam going
I feel like I bounce between these two enough that I’m engaged and paying attention, but I get these brief mental breaks where I know I can just spam one button for a little bit. My numbers seem pretty good, am I doing it wrong?
Idk, it feels like BFA survival, which i enjoyed more. Mongoose bite builds with random procs I hate because they ruin my flow.