with 75% of the good people taking a break or quitting because SOD is falling off harder than my world buffs with these pugs… since we are left with the bots and scrubbs for pugs… please just nerf ST into the ground so its no longer a 2 hour raid with people who have no clue how to play their class. i just want to get through this shiz and raid log since there is NOTHING left to do…
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I said this on another thread… they could likely adjust for 10 man when they do the loot refresh with a 3 day lockout and I wouldn’t be surprised if that got people to come back.
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100% this would bring people back
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The funny thing about this is that its actually the parse kids that raid log the longest. After everyone has quit, its the PvE raid loggers that will still be there pretending things are good. I mean just look at how Wrath Classic went.
What’s the point of SoD if it’s just going to be a rehash of Classic? We should want the raiding content to be challenging. I’m not saying it needs to be super sweaty like retail mythics, but there should be a fair amount of difficulty. Temple has already been nerfed significantly and is a joke now.
The problem is the community needs to stop gatekeeping so hard. You don’t need purple parses to clear the raids.
The 3-day lockout schedule is too hard on schedules for folks who can’t play 24/7. If we could have a 3-day schedule on fixed days, I think that could work. I’m undecided on the size of raids. I personally like larger raids in theory, but 20-man rosters have been much harder to fill and the loot distribution is much worse compared to 10-mans.
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This doesn’t happen until the content is able to be completed with players of questionable skill/gear.
it has been “challanging” for 10+ weeks now its just a loot farm… a very very long raid farm… Plus NOW SOD is falling off and all the good players are leaving more and more the roster boss is the hardest place. i just had bashing my brains against bosses because the only pugs we get are grey parsing and doing 200 dps at lvl 50…
From my experience, the gatekeeping has been happening since day one of a raid’s opening and gets worse with time. It’s been challenging to get my alts into pugs at this point in the phase because they don’t already have strong parses to show.
What if Blizz focused on QoL improvements such as roster number flexibility (10-mans or flex raiding) and 3-day lockouts rather than add further nerfs? Would that help bring players back and keep some challenge?
All the raids we’ve had have been brand new and at level caps where there were no other raids. When there’s only 1 raid it makes sense that it isn’t crazy hard or it tangibly hurts the game and player base.
When we actually get to 60, if they have any sense whatsoever, it should open things up to where we have some raids that are default difficulty and get us the gear required to do whatever new raid they add, which will ideally be much more difficult and actually require raiding to get gear to make it doable, and won’t just be done week 1 with last seasons gear and then raid logged by sweats.
they have stated 10 times over due to classic servers they cannot do flex raiding. 3 day would be ok but the biggest issue is now is the length… people are just bad and no one wants to wipe 3 times in a raid (if not more) and do 8/8 in 2 hours… they want 8/8 in 45 min. I can say 95% of people who play this would rather have a 45 min raid than a 2 hour raid.
ST being to hard and long is why people are quitting plus only the last 2 bosses having loot that people need.
It’s unpuggable so why raid with an alt?
I wish we could see a staticistic apt the amount of people that have tried to clear and haven’t been able to.
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SoD is just terrible. Imcursions just executed my interest in playing. I think im level 41 but that was just a bored weekend evening and then i want back to hardcore and era lol
Guilds are clearing ST in under 25min now…
Guilds and pugs are hugely different. Pugs is miserable and that is 70% of runs now that people have no reason to play and their full bis
im confused ST is already nerfed into the ground. bored as hell in it.
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A reminder that it’s players like you who are left…
Also, ST was nerfed into the ground a while ago so players like you could handle it. You’re late to the date, Jake.
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Go run with a pug then and not a full his guild run
i have i do it 3 times a week. 2 of which are pugs
Youre right it was nerfed… just not into the ground. I have multiple sub 40 min clears. Now with 5 or 6 pugs each guild run, the runs are like 1.5 /2 hours with 3 + wipes normally. Hey and youre on the forums so youre still in the same catagory as me ;-)… and then youre in the same boat this shiz is cancer and without GDKPs there is absolutely no reason for me to run my bis toons and no reason to sit here for hours running these terrible raids. Like there is no reason defendes need so many shackles or penance jammal/ogom need to be dispelled (only 1 alliance class can do it) Or locks pet… just nerf it into the ground so we can just blast through it like we did BFD at the end