Just how many Old Gods/Titans are there?

Just b/c we only know a few, does that really mean they are all there is of them or could there be more out in the Cosmos?

There were originally 4 on Azeroth. C’thun, Y’shaarj, Yogg-Saron and N’zoth. Then the Titans made another one, G’huun.

Titans in theory there could be an infinite number of planets with World Souls, so there could be lots more Titans too.

The Void could and most likely can make more Old Gods if it wished so there could be an infinite amount of them. Same with the Titans, could be infinite number of Titans, we don’t know.

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They’re all projections of Magister Umbric.

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Back in BC we stop the summoning of an Old God into Outland from ‘somewhere else’ and it does not seem to be of Azeroth.
It share’s C’thun’s model though.

Presumably this means that there is a whole host of unknowable eldritch gods out there waiting beyond the veil to be called into this small island of reality to sup upon the material… before they are killed by 10-40 Adventurers, of course.

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As has been said, we only know how many Old Gods were on Azeroth(and even that could easily be retconned to “Oh there was a secret fifth one!”), there’s way more out in the universe.

And we know how many Titans were in The Pantheon. But there could easily be more.

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Old Gods:

There are a HUGE number of old gods in the cosmos. The Void Lords pooled their power and mass produced them before shotgun blasting them into the Great Dark blindly in the hope one would hit a developing Titan world soul. Azeroth got Phenomenally Unlucky to get hit by FIVE.

But yeah, there are hundreds, thousands, perhaps even millions of them out there. If you go to Telogrus you can see a corrupted world in the distance, for example, and likely Telogrus was itself once a old god corrupted world which Sargeras smashed.

Titans:

There is no ceiling on how many Titans there could be, not even the Pantheon has come near searching the whole universe, or seemingly even most of it. the WoW Material plane is big, after all… seemingly roughly the scale of our own RL universe.

There could easily be many, many more though world souls do seem exceedingly uncommon. Heck there could even be other groups of Titans who naturally formed rival Pantheons.

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In the Chronicle Sargeras even noted the possibility that the Void already has a couple of Void Titan working with them and that it would be best if he massacred all Life before they corrupted it theorizing that if Life manifested once before it can do so again with people on watch to make sure Old Gods don’t land on Planets again.

Since Void Titans supposedly exist as far as Sargeras is concerned it stands to reason that Sargeras was banking on them consuming themselves after finding no worlds to corrupt.

It’s stated there are quite literally “as many as the stars!” by one character at least for the Old gods, however Sargeras’ Legion references state that by comparison Titan world souls were “rare” and had to be vigorously searched for (or at least as far into the cosmos as The Pantheon searched, exactly how much space or for how long they’ve been searching was never clearified).

I think the lore is that Void Lords created many Old gods and send them throughout the universe to search for world souls.

Pretty much this, but since we know the Legion was doing pretty good in their campaign to purge the universe of life, there might not be that many left. I think, and I could wrong so I would appreciate if anyone who knows for sure to correct me, but I think Azeroth is only one of a handful habitable planets left.

There were four Azerothian Old Gods (C’Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y’Shaarj, and N’Zoth), five if you count G’huun.

To our knowledge, we know that at least ten Titans exist or existed. Seven on the Pantheon (Aggramar, Khaz’goroth, Norgannon, Eonar, Aman’Thul, Golganneth and Sargeras), Argus, Azeroth, and the unborn Titan infested by Old Gods that Sargeras destroyed.

Of course, there are absolutely more of both, or at least there were. It stands to reason that the Burning Crusade saw the destruction of many nascent World Souls, and their Old God parasites with them. However, since the cosmos is vast and we’ve only explored a scrap of it, it also stands to reason that there are possibly more nascent Titans left undiscovered by Sargeras, and more Old God parasites cast into the Nether by the Void Lords.

As of now, the amount of either one is a variable that might never end up defined.

Exactly too many.

Can you link me this event? I am on a lore binge. Thanks for the reply.

It’s in Chronicle. Go read his early history on his Wowpedia page. It’s theorized by some that this was Telogrus.

Incidentally, the details on both Telogrus Rift’s origin and that first corrupted titan are similar enough that it’s also possible they could have been K’aresh, since there’s no real timeline for when the Ethereals lost their home.

After all, Sargeras found dreadlords on that Old God-infested world, and the Ethereal backstory indicates that prior to Dimensius ushering in his own army from the Void, the planet was bombarded by energies from the Twisting Nether and invaded by hordes of creatures from there. I.e. demons.

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Sargeras destroyed the first infested World Soul before he was darkened and before he unleashed the demons to form the Burning Legion - and further than that, he destroyed it by cleaving it in two. I don’t know that the account of K’aresh’s fall lines up with that. :frowning:

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There’s probably a lot of Old Gods since we’ve seen a number of voided planets so far.

As for Titans, given the Legion has supposedly wiped out most planets, probably a low chance of any more out there.

Ah, but he may have done all that well after K’aresh was overrun and corrupted by the Void.

Like I said, we don’t know when the Ethereals actually lost their home. There’s nothing at this point that precludes their exodus and the fall of K’aresh happening well before Sargeras was corrupted.

Those dreadlords could have ended up there as part of the catastrophe that exposed the planet to the denizens of the Nether and the Void, as pre-Legion nathrezim just looking for worlds to infiltrate and corrupt and seeing an opportunity for that in K’aresh.

We saw in Outland with the arakkoa nDark Conclave that Old Gods can seemingly be deliberately summoned to worlds (whether it amounts to “teleportation” or if they can be made to steer their course to collide with a planet on purpose isn’t 100% clear), so who knows; perhaps once Dimensius had overrun the planet and determined it had a titan inside he could have called down a bunch of Old Gods to infest it.

This is all hypothetical, of course, but certain details (the presence of the dreadlords on a Void-corrupted world and K’aresh’s fall coming from a breach into the Void and the Twisting Nether) are rather conveniently compatible.

See, people say this, but frankly if that’s the case it makes Sargeras’ whole “Fel Pantheon” plan a completely unnecessary waste of time. Corrupting the titans was portrayed as being intended to initiate a whole new Burning Crusade in which the Legion’s advance would become truly unstoppable, but if they were already basically on the brink of wrapping up the universal annihilation of all worlds anyway that becomes pretty pointless.

Especially since Azeroth being the only planet to successfully resist remains a big plot point. If they were about to finish mopping up the few remaining worlds who couldn’t even fight back anyway, then Sargeras didn’t even need the other titans to complete his grand plan of eradicating all life on all worlds.

Plus it’s needlessly hamstringing future writing to say “yep, basically only Azeroth’s left.” Azeroth being uniquely important is one thing, but making it the literal last world standing in a universe that’s been otherwise sterilized of life serves only to explicitly and deliberately throw away any and all hope for ever meaningfully exploring other worlds. It’s just an empty waste of potential for no good reason whatsoever. Azeroth doesn’t need to be the only world left to make it important; being home to the mightiest titan ever found and the only world that could successfully resist the Legion was more than enough to do that.

Sargeras didn’t get his idea for the Fel Pantheon until after he “saw” Azeroth and fell in love with her (creepy I know). before that he wanted to destroy as many titan world souls as he could to stop the Void from claiming them.

Then he most likely hired Imonar the Soulhunter to track down the souls of Aman’thuls etc. The only reason why he didn’t destroy Argus was because it was the Eredar homeworld. You wouldn’t destroy the homeworld of a race you just recruited into your ranks. Especially after going through such lengths to deceive them. Plus he turned Argus into a literal battery. What we do know is that he got Aggramars soul first and failed to get Eonar’s (thanks to us).

I feel sorry for Argus, avoided Old Gods crashing on his planet only to be enslaved by Sargeras and used as a battery to hasten demon’s regeneration process after dying outside of the Nether.