Just got kicked from my raid group for being too low on DPS

Classes Demon Hunter
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TLDR; I got kicked from the raid team for being too low DPS. Didn’t realize DH were doing so poorly in DPS until it was too late.

To be fair, I am a bit new to raiding and realized at the end of the night I should have had flasks, food, and enchants much better prepared.

However…

I STUDIED the fights. I made sure I knew what I was doing. Got a great flow on my rotation - made custom weakauras to help me where I was weak. I am feeling like Illidan reincarnate at this point. Plus the flavor or representing the Venthyr gives me pride to represent.

First raid of the new expansion. Very excited. Got all my fight references pulled up and I’m good to go. I figured in our big ol’ group of 25 raiders I should float around rank 9-12 in DPS as I’m still new to raiding. I also notice I’m the only Havoc Demon Hunter in the raid, heck, I’m the only Demon Hunter main in the guild. (I thought this was very surprising because I think Demon Hunters are a freaking awesome class)

First few fights go off and I’m immediately disheartened. I’m just barely performing above the tanks. I double down, each fight I’m 100% paying attention - watching my CDs - following each mechanic to the T. Now I did over-generate my fury and I was too quick to run to execute mechanics instead of landing a few more blows, but I can’t get off the bottom of my details panel.

The next day I’m pouring over the Warcraft logs and icy viens. Was I supposed to take Momentum instead of Demonic? Was I supposed to bind with Theotar instead of Mistblade? I decide it must have been the pre-raid prep and some Fury mismanagement. So I drop good money on flasks & enchants, farm my Tenebreous ribs and customize my WeakAuras to really make sure I spend every ounce of Fury I generate.

So before the next raid night when we’re about to get started. 15mins I get a whisper asking me to sit out for tonight. They’re cutting a few of us so they can try to finish the raid and I didn’t have the greatest performance the previous session.

Mind you we’re only 5 bosses in. My best legendaries drop on the last 2 bosses and I just lost my raid team.

Crushed.

Now I get it. They’re buddies and have been raiding together for a long time and I’m definitly the new guy, so no hard feelings getting cut. However, I can’t help feel that if I was playing a Balance Druid or Shadow Priest (or whatever is topping the DPS charts) that there is no way I would have gotten the boot as my DPS output would have been MUCH more forgiving.

If we’re at the bottom of the dps charts and so low to boot, it can be really tough when you realize that even if you preform absolutely perfectly - you’ll still be low on the DPS thread.

It just sucks.

I’m now looking to start a JV raid team in the guild or just picking a new class to main and shelving my Demon Hunter for now which I really don’t want to do.

This is my sob story. Now I’m over it and I’ll keep going. :slight_smile: Still a great expansion.

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hopefully a buff on tuesday with the tuning pass for mythic raids… thats all you can hope for

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Try Vengeance for mythics and set havoc loot.

Fastest way to gear for those raids.

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You could drastically up your deeps by:

  • Running Felblade, Demon Blades, and First Blood. Your current talent selection is only sometimes viable in single-target raid damage if you have a legendary related to Eye Beam, which you do not.

  • Dump Mastery. Dunno if you were unaware or had bad luck but Mastery is our worst stat by a margin more significant than other specs worst stats. Dump. Go literally anything else.

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Play a hunter. Hey it sill have the word hunter in it right. LOL I don’t even bring my DH to heroic now unless I am tanking. Coz as a tank you do almost as much damage as HDH

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The felblade / Demon Blade build is better than the one you are running atm. Also the leggo you are using isn’t that great.

Not saying that is the reason for low DPS but just something to point out.

I’m doing the raid tonight but expecting to not be all too high in the charts.

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Really!? :thinking:

Yeah I know it’s not great - I’m trying to hold out for one of the two that drop on the last two bosses of CN - if I ever get in there haha

I really felt like amping up Eye beam was the way to go! I’m going to try that later today. So How does Felblade work into your rotation? Just straight up replaces Demon’s Bite?

I can see this also really helping me keep engaged with my target when staying on the move for boss mechanics.

After looking at Felblade vs Blind Fury - are you sure?! Somehow my mind doesn’t compute that…

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Yeah you kind of wasted the soul ash on that legendary. Would have been better to wait for the end boss one.

Fel blade and demon blade are better in singal target because of the passive generation of fury and the reset of fel blade. They both pull ahead, while BF longer duration is better for aoe since you are hitting more multiple mobs for a longer duration.

Also first blood is still BiS dont both swapping out.

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You grey parsed in every encounter you did, lol.

It’s not just that DH’s are bad in ST. It’s that you performed really poorly relative to other demon hunters in those encounters. Grey parsing during a trial is very likely to result in a removal from the group

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…Eye beam and BH leg are pretty close to demons blade. Certainly within margin of error dps. Stop making it out like switching will boost his dps by a thousand.

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Whoa whoa whoa, we’re still using First Blood? I was all set to give up on Blade Dance being any good, and getting into the swing of using Essence Break. I tend to flip flop on Demon Blades + Fel Blade vs. something like Appetite and IH, so at least that isn’t too big of a dealbreaker, but I thought they pretty much tanked our original set up?

I mean, they do say right there that they don’t think that’s the reason for low DPS, just that this build is better. Still, if it’s only going to add tens of damage overall, it doesn’t matter that much. So I guess it depends on if you prefer waiting for Felblade or spamming DB.

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Essence break is still the worst out of all 3, cycle is best for aoe

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/théoleth Doesn’t look like you preformed “absolutely perfectly”

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t DHs do pretty good on the Sun King fight? That’s what I’ve heard said by a few in game, at least.

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I’m in the exact boat. I started leveling my hunter, and am already out DPSing my DH at level 54.

Drop the demon, and roll with the hunter. You can’t go wrong.

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You also parse grey when you raid normal nathria?

Changing classes isn’t gonna help you

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Ya, sorry man, but this fellow is right here ^^. Grey parses are the opposite of perfectly. Worse still is that score is made in comparison to other people at your ilvl. So you are not being compared to someone 40 ilvl higher, you are being compared to someone very close to your ilvl if not the same. Even if I sim you vs a target dummy your DPS was lower in all but one, your green parse.

When you go to raid you may not think it but going unprepared without your flask, food, etc as a new raider is going to reflect badly on yourself. Are you still in that guild? Did you just get dropped without being talked to?

If not what you want to do is get with the DH class lead for your guild and ask for help. Tell him your new and didn’t have any idea that you were supposed to bring consumables and that you’re very sorry, (Unless it was posted and you didn’t do what you were supposed to). Ask him to review your logs, ask him to coach you, help you on a target dummy etc. Show him you are dedicated to learning and getting better.

If you try and tell him you did really good or almost perfect but it was your class and that’s the issue you might as well start looking for a new guild because a grey parse is a “you” problem.

Most of the time if you did do your rotation well your problem 99% of the time is where you were standing, aka really bad positioning. I have been there, I have had bad positioning, and I can tell you it will destroy your dps. But don’t blame anything but yourself, because not many people are willing to work helping a fellow that thinks it’s everything else that’s the problem but himself.

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