Yes, but also no reason at all.
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I agree. Itâs true that people can get kicked for unjustified or bad reasons, and without clear communication from the party members, the person being kicked often has no idea why. Iâve seen this system get abused in the past, with unjust votes and people getting kicked without any warning or clear indication. It can be really frustrating to be removed without a second thought. Providing a reason might help, but it wonât completely eliminate the potential for misuse. Thatâs why I suggested the escalation method earlier.
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Blizzard canât force people to play with you
Thatâs fine. They should also consider reducing the harshness of penalties for those who get kicked for unjustified reasons with a system that is fair and doesnât unduly punish players who havenât done anything wrong.
Theyâll never know for certain, but a lot of times the bigger issue is that people are terrible at self reflection, especially when that reflection requires you to be critical and point out your mistakes, flaws or shortcomings. So even if there is a pretty clear reason, they wonât consciously acknowledge it if it reflects poorly on them.
Or, in a lot of cases, people may have a good idea of why they got kicked, and they just donât like that they got kicked, or agree that they should have been kicked for it, so they lie to the forums because if they told the truth they wouldnât get the sympathy they seek.
Thereâs no way Blizzard can program the system to allow for justified reasons. Even if you had to select from options, people would just pick something/anything and proceed with the kick⌠EVEN IF the selextion they choose wasnât THE REAL REASON
Either we can kick or we canât
And if we canât kick then a troll could nonstop ruin players days in dungeons
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I actually agree with most of what you said. Where you lose me is the emphasis on âlying on the forumsâ and the whole âattention seekingâ nonsense.
People have abused the vote-kick system to unjustly remove others from groups. I donât understand why thatâs so hard for you to wrap your head around.
Just saw this now, it brings up a good point:
You think itâs odd Blizzard hasnât done anything to fix it yetâŚ
Do you maybe think thatâs because itâs not actually as big of a problem as you think it is? Could that be why it hasnât been changed? Because itâs not actually an issue?
Is that within the realm of possibility?
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So Iâm just going to say, I pretty much 100% agree with you on that regarding the self reflection. I think that goes both waysâ some people canât admit they could possibly have done something wrong, and also some people canât just simply say âWow I didnât do anything thatâs real 
y. Anyway!â And just move on. Like I know if I didnât do anything, the 30 minute debuff sucks but Iâd be fine just moving on.
But I also donât think that frivolous or unwarranted kicks donât happen. I donât think abuse is as common as people make it out to be, but I do think it happens. The official statements and rules are written as such that people can be kicked for any or no reason, but I believe that includes bad reasons. And I do think people use the votekick function to troll, but I donât think it happens as often as people say.
And if it does happen as often as people say to certain people, I believe in the âcommon denominatorâ school of thought. But Iâm just speaking from my own experiences as summon who pugs dungeons and LFR regularly.
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Cool. There are many issues Blizzard hasnât addressed that have been long overdue for a fix.
No, but they can program the system to escalate consequences.
If you leave you get deserter debuff, if kicked you shouldnt, as mentioned earlier, you dont need a reason to kick, and being kicked from a group is already a pretty hefty time loss. (Given how most are DPS and them que times o.o,)
Actually, you do get a deserter buff. Being kicked is treated the same as leaving.
Historically, I believed that if you killed the first boss in the dungeon, the debuff wouldnât apply whether you left or got kicked. Maybe theyâve changed it recently and I was unaware.
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They did recently change it, because people were farming a dungeon for a trinket and leaving after the first boss, which the trinket drops from.
It was such an issue they made the change so now you get the debuff even if you kill a boss.
I donât think they donât ever happen, I just think theyâre such an insignificant minority of the cases that itâs not something I give the benefit of the doubt to.
Thereâs also the issue of who gets to decide whatâs âunwarrantedâ or not. I mean, if someone is doing low DPS, thatâs technically warranted right? Even if you or I wouldnât kick them for it, itâs a perfectly valid reason to kick? Point being, people have different thresholds for whatâs warranted, just because something doesnât meet your threshold doesnât mean it isnât valid.
Bad reasons⌠not liking someoneâs transmog? I agree thatâs a bad reason, I certainly wouldnât kick someone for that either. But how often does something like that actually happen? 1/1000? Even lower? I mean it sucks when it happens, but itâs hardly a problem worth changing the system over.
But yes, in the case of OP, even if it was for an âunjustifiedâ reason, if thatâs the only time theyâve gotten kicked, then there clearly isnât an issue. Thatâs the only time theyâve had to endure the debuff. Itâs not happening with any kind of frequency at all. Shrug it off and move on. Thereâs no problem.
If OP is constantly getting kicked, the issue isnât the system, itâs something OP needs to do some reflection on.
I really question how many people are coming to the forums and making threads about it if itâs the only time itâs happened to them though. That seems like an overreaction.
Thereâs no way to accurately measure how often the vote kick system gets abused. The potential for misuse certainly exists, and there are numerous threads of people reporting unjust kicks.
A reasonable solution is introducing an escalation method to help mitigate this issue. How does the harm of implementing such a system outweigh the good it could bring in ensuring fair play?
Yeah except weâve already established, and you agreed, that people are notoriously bad at critical self reflection and often wonât consciously acknowledge a problem with themselves when there is one
So when you use peopleâs forum posts as proof that thereâs a systemic issue but you agree that people suck at evaluating these things, it doesnât really work because we have no way to verify that all the forum posts are accurate and true when they say itâs unjust
The other problem with using forum posts as the only metric for driving change is that we get maybe one of these threads a day? How many thousands of dungeon runs happen smoothly that donât get threads about them?
The system allows for getting kicked for no reason
Working as intended
You didnât answer my question, so Iâll ask again: A reasonable solution to stop vote-kick abuse is to introduce an escalation method. How does the harm of implementing such a system outweigh the benefits?
as i saidâŚthe ones you see defending this childish behavior ARE involved with it and THATS why they defend it.
Reading the replies, itâs amazing how quickly everybody has just become total aâ˘â˘holes for no reason. Itâs mirroring the country.
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