So i bought a 3060ti 5800x 5 months ago, but after recently buying a 1440p 34 inch monitor. The fps wants what i wanted. So i went out and bought a pc with a 3090ti and a i7 13700k. I put everything on max but my fps still isnt 100+. Is this the limitation of wow at this point? What settings can i lower the gain fps but still make it look nice? EDIT i had my 49 inch monitor on the saem resolution as my second monitor thats a 34 inch… cahnged it to the correct 5120x1440p. looks good and fps went up
Lower view distance and shadow a bit. Should help greatly, but it’s also limitations of WoW.
Basically it’s like driving fast in prime time traffic. You can only drive so fast
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You are playing a game that relies very heavily on single-threaded CPU performance, but “upgraded” to a PC with a CPU that is a sidegrade or very minor upgrade at best.
You could have just replaced your 5800X with a 5800X3D, which blows away even the 13900k
From intel’s own marketing slide using their own benchmarks:
http://gotnorice.com/Intel13seriesWoW.png
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I have a Ryzen 7 7800X3d, and i get over 100 fps in Valdraken, and when away from large player-density areas, I am hitting over 300 FPS in some areas.
Don’t run raytracing as it only does shadows in wow.
I am running a 7900xtx.
When buying a CPU for gaming, look at reviews from hardware unboxed ( Hardware unboxed written review site) or gamers nexus (gamers nexus written reviews)
Never use user benchmark; they are notorious for giving bad advice and hating on AMD when they have a better product than Intel; it is a joke of a website.
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I do agree that this is good advice to swap for 5800x3D. It’s a massive upgrade in games over the standard 5800x. But “blows away” is a severe exaggeration. Maybe at 1080p but not 1440p. It does in some games but not in WoW. In other games 13900k and 7800x3D trades blows. This is coming from someone who has both 13900k and 7800x3D. Another important thing about World of Warcraft is it drinks up Ram speed like water in the desert.
Im on a 13900k and 7200mhz ram. My roommate is on a 7800x3D and 6000mhz ram. We are both on RTX 4090s. I get more FPS and better 1% lows than he does. I mean don’t get me wrong we both have a completely Flawless experience and it’s unnoticeable but if you turn on the FPS meter I’m getting more FPS and better 1% lows than he is in WoW. We have tested this at both 1440p and 4K with both computers running wow at Max settings
We have come up with two possible reasons for this. 1) World of Warcraft is such an old game that it prefers raw clock speeds or 2) our ram speeds. My 13900k is OC+Undervolted and boost to 6.0ghz. It could also be a combination of both.
I would like to repeat that both of us have a Flawless experience and the only way any of this is noticeable is if we turn on the FPS meter. World of Warcraft is a strange animal to be sure
Swap out for 5800x3D. Resell your 5800x. All issues solved
If you want to know what to expect in the game this video ought to help you. It has benchmarks in WoW
That really is an amazing gaming CPU and when you start talking about efficiency nothing else even compares or comes close.
In my opinion that’s how AMD should have marketed that CPU. I would have literally stamped the most efficient gaming CPU on the planet on the box
I’ve never understood this line of thinking. It’s not as if a CPU gets slower as you increase the resolution. The only thing that changes is increased demand on the GPU. Once you introduce GPU bottlenecks into the equation, you’re not really talking about CPU performance anymore.
It’s also fairly easy to compensate for a GPU bottleneck via the large number of video settings that are available. Almost all of those settings primarily impact the demand on your GPU. On the other hand, if it’s your CPU that is holding you back, there is not much you can do other than upgrade.
World of Warcraft Benefits from 3D cache more than the vast majority of the games out there.
http://gotnorice.com/5800x3d_review1.png
Of course there are plenty of other games that like the 3D cache also.
http://gotnorice.com/Cyberpunk2077.png
I always recommend that people check to see if their preferred games benefit a lot from 3D cache or not, but since this is a WoW forum, I generally assume that WoW performance is going to be one of the main concerns. A X3D CPU for WoW is an amazing choice.
That seems a bit hard to believe, given that, again, even Intel’s own benchmarks show the older 5800X3D outperforming the 13900k by 10-15%. And that 5800X3D would have been using DDR4 obviously. I would have to believe that the 7800X3D would do better, even without premium DDR5.
Also, addons do have an impact on performance, particularly CPU performance. Unless you and your friend have the exact same addons and the exact same UI, it’s not going to be an apples-to-apples comparison.
First off when you look at benchmarks remember those CPUs are running at 100% stock settings. As for that 13900k in your slides? That 13900k is running at stock settings and is power limited to 253w. Mine isnt. The 13900k has a LOT of headroom for tweaking the 7800x3d doesnt. This is why I dont look at benchmarks. They dont tell the full story. The moment you tune a CPU it changes the game. Secondly Im speaking purely with WoW. Even the video above shows a tuned 12900k beating out the 5800x3d. Literally watch the video. The 13900k is faster. WoW seems to prefer Raw Clockspeeds and Ram Speed over anything else including 3D cache.
Me and my roommate both build gaming rigs for a living my guy. We have tried to isolate every other factor on a test bench and results are always the same my OC and Undervolted 13900k gets more FPS than his 7800x3d in WoW. Trades blows in other games. WoW may also be one of those games that just prefers intel
Now is any of this noticeable to the human eye? 100% NO. We both have a flawless gaming experience. But the moment you turn on the benchmarks there is indeed an advantage on the 13900k. Like I said this is just in wow.
For diagnostic purposes we both had 0 addons. Deleted the folder
I think that stock settings are extremely relevant, especially when you consider that this thread is not a discussion about which CPU can potentially have a bit of extra performance squeezed out of it via various overclocks, tweaks (such as disabling E-Cores), when used under ideal conditions, with high-end cooling, etc. It’s a thread from someone who bought a pre-built Computer.
If that were true, then a highly optimized 5800X with faster RAM would be able to close the gap with a 5800X3D (which already has slower stock clocks than the 5800X), but that isn’t the case.
Cool. I’ve been doing that also, for 20+ years.
The moment you find a benchmark that accurately represents WoW, please let me know. Cinebench is about as far on the other end of the spectrum as you can possibly get.
Im talking about a benchmark/stat runner in WoW dude. Aka tells you your FPS, power usage, temps ect ect all in one screen
The video I linked above along with many other videos of wow benchmarks show the same results.
Im sorry you disagree we were just as shocked as you are but the results are what they are. WoW is a dinosaur of a game and none of this is noticeable unless you are checking your FPS
I haven’t had an AMD rig in many years now, having been pretty dedicated to Intel builds. This chip piques my interest though.
Also, I’m frankly bored with the whole overclocking thing, and the thought of having a build where I don’t have to worry with that is appealing. Despite years of overclocking my builds, it just isn’t something I’ve ever really learned well. I primarily always end up just going fumbling my way through someone else’s instructions and guides and cookie cuttering my way along until I get something I’m happy with. I’m pretty tired of the whole OC’ing scene and frankly don’t think I’m cut out for it.
I’m mostly certain I’ll go with an un-oc’able chip next time I upgrade. As it stands, my 12700K oc’d at 4.9 will get me through for a while yet though.
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Honestly dude this gets more and more of Camaro vs Mustang GT the more high end you go. Just enjoy your sports car at the end of the day they are both fast as F. The higher end you go the more splitting hairs this stuff really is
I have seen forums post on reddit blow up in this amd vs intel convo over 5fps. Yes Im not even kidding 5fps! 
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I’ve seen it get weird on twitter with it. A lot of people get obsessively loyal to one brand or the other, and are so easily triggered by any perceived slight against their side of the fence. I’ve been loyal to Intel for the most part with CPU’s but nowhere near the hardcore extent of a lot of folks. With GPU’s, I’ve mostly been loyal to AMD though. Nvidia always seems to give me stress for one reason or another.
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I do my best to remain unbiased. I was a PURE AMD user for many years. At the time of doing my new rig I needed a CPU that was just as good at Gaming as it was with Video Editing and Media Creation. Media Creation being priority. At the time its was 7950x or 13900k. Those were my options. The 13900k seemed like the most well rounded CPU and I got a good deal on it. TBH if I was doing my build today same scenario? Id probably go with the 7950x3D without looking back. The only reeal advantage to the 14900k would be premiere/after effects workloads.
Brand loyalty has always left me with buyers remorse in the past so I do my best to remain unbiased and get what suits my needs the best. It is funny watching people root for these brands like they are sports teams though
Phew, you’re in fantasy land territory with that thing. Who can afford that, just for a chip?
*Remembers it isn’t that everyone else is rich but that I’m just poor… 
About $500 for a chip & board is usually the number I shoot for, give or take a few.
You edited your previous post about a dozen times while I was typing my reply, and at one point you had Cinebench benchmarks posted, so pardon me for not keeping up with the edits.
The video you posted shows the 5800X3D kicking the 12900k’s butt in the first two sets of results. Only in the 3rd, with every overclock and tweak possible, does the 12900k finally catch up.
Also, it’s understandable that the video uses the flight paths for benchmarking purposes since they are mostly repeatable, but flying high over outdoor terrain with view distance set to max will have a vastly different CPU/GPU usage pattern than what you will see during the majority of the time that you are actually playing the game, especially the times when the CPU performance really matters (Big Cities, Epic BGs, Raiding, etc).
Maybe the OP can chime in and let us know their general level of computer knowledge, and to what extent they feel comfortable with overclocking and tweaking various settings. We still don’t know what motherboard the OP’s i7 13700k system came with. It could be a pretty basic board. It might even be a DDR4 motherboard.
That’s another nice thing about the 5800X3D. Being only a 105w TDP part, you can put it in pretty much any AM4 motherboard as long as the BIOS supports it. I stuck one in a budget mATX X370 motherboard (the oldest AM4 chipset) the other day and it works great.
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I have a tendency to type faster than I think. Its a personal flaw I apologize. Sometimes I have full paragraphs typed before I really think things through so I wind up having to edit it to covey my thoughts more accurately
There is no denying that that the 5800x3d is the most efficient Gaming chip on the market! All that chip can do with such a low TDP literally blows my mind.
Please do not get me wrong AMD has some AMAZING CPUs currently. I was merely reporting our findings with WoW specifically. When it comes to my personal use I am in a “niche group” I get that.
I still recommend the 7800-x3d to 90% of all gamers or the 5800x3d to current AM4 users as there is no reason to move to AM5 yet. The only person Id tell to consider the 13900k or 14900k are heavy system tweakers/enthusiast or Media Creation folks.
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With those ‘versus’ comparisons I see online with this chip and the 5800x3d, when people do those comparisons are they oc’ing the 7800 chip or running both chips stock? It looks like the 7800 fares a nice bit better than the 5800 and for not a crazy amount more money.