It was a few years ago when classic vanilla came out, I was super excited, and I leveled a feral druid. Had a lot of fun. I was fishing oily blackmouth, and making a decent amount of gold on it. When I say decent I mean like 4 gold per stack or something similar to that. Which took me an extremely long time. It wasn’t long however, that I noticed that on the auction house someone was selling MASSIVE amounts of stacks of oily blackmouth for 1 gold. At that moment I thought to myself, let me wait a few days and see if that situation will alleviate itself (I know it was a botter). So I didn’t play a few days then came back, bots still selling 1g/ stack. How was I going to afford new abilities? How was I going to succeed as a trader?
So then I thought, who does this benefit? It doesn’t benefit me. It benefits people consuming the fish, since they only have to pay 1 gold per stack rather than 4. Not only this but, it counts as a sub for blizzard. Well it also allows players to make real money from players buying gold I suppose?
We need to stand together gents and stop buying gold. Buying gold should be considered a truly disgusting thing. Selfish to ruin the game for other players so you can pay real world money to cheat in the game. Lowly scum.
It’s pretty disgusting, I’m right there with you. I snapped up a bunch of those 1g/stack oily blackmouths. If I didn’t buy em, someone else would have, and I need them anyway.
Wish blizz was better at stopping the cheating. It’s really unfortunate that the botting problem is so bad.
There’s no excuse. Riot figured this out a long time ago, time for Blizzard to get with the times.
Warcraft is still alive, and more diverse of a population then it has ever been. Not only does this game bring together people of all
Nations, it brings with it the technological advancements of artificial intelligence and software engineering.
Wow is a great sandbox for testing and creating artificial life forms within a game.
Bots - Are the evolution of programming to be the characters we could not be. They still do the work we would do, but in a more efficient manner.
Sounds good to me? Versus what? More profits for you?
Bots contribute a subscription just like you and me, and if someone wants to use them for their advantage, they are living in the now.
Before thinking blizz cares:
Retail wow now includes bots to help you do dungeons by themselves. They are actively programming the game to play for you.
Soon I would imagine we could see raids full of bots playing better then our human counterparts.
Blizzard will never get serious about it so they probably don’t deserve sub money. All they have to do is make it a permanent ban for buying gold, with accounts tied to state issued IDs, and all of this would end. They won’t though.
Yep. I don’t think most people really care though. I also don’t think it’s that big of a deal.
Personally I’d rather play with bots than people who actively throw BGs, call to let the other team win, and even create their own teammates.
Sure botting is cheating. Yes, RMT leads to bots. And sure ban these things and players doing them. But why should they put any more resources toward them when nobody really cares, it isn’t disruptive to normal gameplay, and hardly impacting regular people, and there are other things to care about?
Anyway, I think Blizzard does indeed actively monitor and ban bots. I don’t think that they do a perfect job of it, but I think they put an amount of resources towards it that is reasonable given the potential for ROI and the extent that it matters.
Obviously people care otherwise they wouldn’t be posting about it. Influencers wouldn’t be making videos about it. Players wouldn’t be quitting about it. What is more important? There is nothing more important!!! What better advertisement than “hi, we’re blizzard, we allow players to cheat”. That stuff will kill of call of duty, will kill just about any game, it’s just a matter of time.
It’s more than just blizzard at this point, it’s now
the players that buy gold → should be met with every obstacle possible
The people who sell gold → should be met with every obstacle possible
The people that allow to happen → should be brought into light, national media sensation, a new movement. A new movement to preserve gaming.
That’s not very obvious at all. A small number of incredibly vocal people are complaining about something that on the surface is of course a reasonable complaint, generally speaking: Botting is against the EULA and is cheating. Bots should be banned. Sure. But guess what? Botting is banned, and bots get banned.
Yes, and this is what I mean. Players don’t care. If someone buys gold, so what? Yes that cheating, and yes it should be banned, but I don’t care. I’m not going to call someone out in discord for saying that they have bought gold, because I don’t care. I’m not going to come to the forums and pretend that I’m offended, upset, stressed out, losing sleep or whatever other nonsense one might claim because some people spend money on buying gold that contributes to bots.
What do bots do? They perform automated tasks like farming materials and selling them on the AH. There are likely many third-party “services” that are either botting or using some cheap labor to make real-life money by providing things in-game that players pay for.
Does that make the gaming experience worse? Sure, you can say that any cheating makes things worse, and fundamentally I agree. But who cares? You care? OK, so quit. Go do something productive with your life, but stop pretending that botting is ruining your gaming experience for any legitimate reasons.
No it isn’t. At least in my opinion. I’m happy to be introduced to new perspectives and experiences that shed light on just how wrong I am, but from my current perspective it doesn’t matter at all, and the people pretending to care on these forums are either concealing their true intentions or they are just over-reacting to something they’ve seen on the internet.
Many have. Are you actively encouraging your players to quit the game? Is the player distrust not great enough?
In the end there will be winners and there will losers and guess which track blizzard is on?
Do you see this people? If you don’t like players cheating “we want you to quit.” If you are unhappy with the game we want you to stop complaining. We will actively ask you to quit the game. All the years I’ve heard that… “just quit then”. And it just leads to where we are now.
If botting is ruining your gaming experience, then yes 100%. In the early days of APEX Legends, aim botting was rampant, and why would anyone not using hacks want to play ranked games with people who are cheating.
In that context, there are obvious advantages to cheating and disadvantages to not cheating to the extent that people would just not want to play ranked games. Respawn figured that out pretty quick and did a great job of addressing hackers, and the game became better as a result.
Making ridiculously silly statements like this as though that’s what is being said may win points with you for yourself and other people who just want to make wild accusations like, “Someone posted a video of a bot on the Internet so OMG BLIZZARD WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR? Hire a real person to handle bots. DO YOUR JOB.”
OK, but realize that what I’m stating is that if your own day-to-day play is being so negatively impacted by literally anything that is happening in the game that you don’t like, then yes quit the game. Complaining noisily is of course something that the current dev team seems to be promoting as ways to make changes happen too.
Anyway, what exactly are you personally experiencing related to bots? Can you articulate it in a way that someone else could replicate or verify it? Is there a measurable negative impact on any legitimate play? Could you share such things?
Silence people’s discontent by threatening them to quit the game. Seems like a genius business model.
The fact that I can’t make money to buy abilities and thrive on the server like everyone else is why. When I put hard work into selling something on the auction house and it becomes no longer profitable bc people are CHEATING… why would someone not complain about that?
Are you guys trying to redefine reality here? I mean the amount of gaslighting and psychological abuse over the years in my experience over the years as a wow players is bizarre.
This isn’t a fact. This is a failure on your part to figure out how to play the game.
IDK. The context in this thread is “I was selling for 4g/stack. Other people later started selling for 1g/stack. Obviously they are botting.” Almost every single BG, someone says that the other team is a full premade in discord.
Define is more like it. Let’s actually put the cards out on the table, and make some definitions, rather than just handwave and state the obvious that cheating and bannable actions should be actioned. Yes, they should of course. Nobody is denying that. But also, yes they are being banned and actioned.
If you’re experiencing something different, then please share with the rest of us exactly what that is and how we might independently verify it for ourselves.
Gathering professions are deemed no longer able to be profitable. This includes:
Fishing
Mining
Herbalism
Skinning
In classic wow players NEED these to be profitable to pay for expensive abilities and repairs. In fact some players play the game solely for professions and auction housing.
- Are the evolution of programming to be the characters we could not be. They still do the work we would do, but in a more efficient manner.