June 9 PvP Class Tuning

Can you hear the people sing?

he has no idea what hes talking about

sure lets make survival one of the highest dam specs in the game even stronger, along with feral. turn jungle from S+ tier to S+++++++++ tier.

WW casually hitting 230k RSKs, no biggie.

buff frost dk so that is has a pvp player representation of over 2%

frost is actually good rn bud

thats why no one plays it - go check the leaderboards

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I think there’s a comp that’s preventing that.

a spec’s representation is not indicative of its overall strength

it is one part of the spectrum

enh shaman was literally just the best melee in the game prenerf, it’s not even top 5 melee rep in any bracket

demo lock is arguably one of, if not the strongest caster in the game. 3rd lowest caster rep

idk how else to spell it out

like frost DK is lower rep’d than sin rogue. frost DK is much better than sin rogue in the current meta

id say frost is good rn if there wasnt 30000 disarms in the game that all line up with fdk burst having to trinket to do ur dmg is so troll and the spec rep thing makes sense somewhat but at the same time if fdk was insane everyone would be playing it

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FDK isn’t anymore susceptible to disarms than any other melee, and frost can still do damage during disarm unlike most other melee

nobody said anything about fdk being insane

i said it was good, and it is

you’re class just isn’t popular overall, and realistically it’s probably more due to UH being the more popular PvP spec and it not being good right now and the death strike nerf that happened like week 1 season 1 which made a lot of people just say screw it and leave their DK to collect dust

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Frost is way better than unholy

Stop spewing nonsense

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“frost can still do damage during disarm unlike most other melee”

time to start playing the game and stop playing these forums. The only way to kill players as frost dk is with obliterates during pillar of frost. Can’t obliterate in disarm

Your only win condition is countered by 1 cc

class representation is the best indicator of class power

the only melee dps over 2400 are ret/rogue and 1 dh player. This is because it is impossible to climb as other classes. They aren’t competitive enough. Same goes for casters - 60% of casters over 2400 are demonology warlocks and ele shammans wow imagine that

like arms/fury warriors? or all 3 rogue specs? or any melee besides ret paladin?

this isn’t a counter exclusive to FDK and you’re coping if you think it is

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100% not true and you proved my point in your follow up

ele and demo are bottom 5 caster rep

DH is bottom 3 in overall class rep

except warrior and rogue have constant healing reduction with damage + cc cooldowns on a 30s rotation. so you get over twice the amount of kill opportunities as a frost dk. Frost can only kill with pillar

well i can assure you disarm doesn’t hurt you more than any other melee, but even if i concede that it does, you have this talent called Icecap that roughly 50% of the FDKs on the ladder take, and i assume that would be worth taking 100% of the time into matchups where you know a disarm is going to be used on you

this problem really does seem nonexistent

icecap is a pve talent that can be good in solo shuffle (pve) no top rated dks use this in rated 3v3s.

Its really not a hard concept. The only way you can kill players as frost dk is with obliterate, and this ability can’t be cast when disarm.

So being disarmed on pillar of frost without trinket available means your class has 0 kill pressure for another 1 minute of the game.

no other melee class besides sub rogue is this cooldown dependent, anyways i think we derailed the convo enough

i’d bet money that top FDKs take this talent when facing matchups where disarm is a guarantee even if they don’t play it most of the time because it’s almost certainly the right play in those matchups but it is what it is

Every frost dk player is bad thats the thing

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supposedly if u can beat a mistweaver monk blizzard just gives u R1

don’t forget every ret paladin is also high skill :wink: