We’re talking about both 
And since one of the major whines about RDF is that it’s cross realm it’s extremely relevant that cross realm group finders were hardly some new wrath idea and were in fact in vanilla.
It didn’t turn WoW into a lobby game
You just wanted to use that buzz word but don’t actually know what it means.
At best you can say WoW is a theme park MMO RPG, but then that was the case long before RDF, actually since day one of vanilla by design.
He’s just a troll; don’t get baited. That’s my stalker Delimicus. He’s been trying for months to criticize me because I had an open mind and willingness to reassess my beliefs on RDF. Apparently to trolls those are bad qualities.
I’m quite proud of the fact I was willing to actually reflect on my prior opinions and apply logic to them, as well as observe the reality of what’s going on in Classic and realize I was wrong. It takes a modicum of humility. If only the devs had that.
For me what it boils down to is that I literally never for one second actually thought RDF wouldn’t be in Wrath. It was just a given, so I never really delved deeper than below the surface on the topic. And on the surface it’s easy to say ‘grouping with strangers is bad. cross-realm is bad’. You actually have to put a little thought into it to realize what nonsense that is. And the giant glaring example of Classic makes it abundantly clear RDF was not, is not, and never was the cause of the destruction of the social fabric of WoW. All it is is a tool that eliminates pointless, tedious wastes of times and allows easier access to content. All while still allowing the ability to group with whomever you want, if you so choose. So, to use another quote from that article from earlier…
“As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.” - Rob Pardo
I so wish Blizz still had devs who understood human nature and their players.
Apparently, sarcasm is lost on you, but I’m not surprised, since you needed people in the forums to spoon feed you where the winter hats are in the game.
mmhmmm…of course you were
I am, I have been trying to spam dungeons and have been in queue for 4+ hours without a group.
Unlike H+ and a bastardized version of retail’s LFG, right?
I want to play an authentic Wrath, not retail. So you can shut up about retail now.
Wrong. This is not the “original group finder.” This was not in Wrath. AT ALL.
The illiteracy is astounding. Like I said (please read the following) you can queue out in the world while you’re doing dailies or quests or farming or w/e. Once your dungeon is finished, you get ported back to where you were. You know, out in the world.
The idea that RDF would keep you from doing those things is incredibly stupid.
And yet people go to the movies for the “experience.” Also it’s frowned upon to just start chatting with your neighbor in a theater. Could you provide an even stupider analogy?
No you didn’t. You might as well be yammering about washing machines being bad. Opinions aren’t off limits for being stupid just because they’re opinions.
Apparently the ability to read is a vague concept to you.
You should try it, though. You’d make less of a fool of yourself.
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Either you’re one of the dumbest posters here, really weird, or a troll. Maybe all three. At any rate, adios.
But think of all the friends you might have made along the way!
Far from dumb, not as weird as you are seeking out my posts so you can comment on them (cringe) cause you mad I called you out in another post, and never a troll (I speak the truth always). Bye – can’t miss you until you leave.
And at no point did you attempt to make your own group? That’s not the game denying you from the content, that’s you denying yourself from it. The game wont play itself for you.
We’re really not though. You brought up cross-realm grouping out of nowhere, and for no reason other than to somehow disagree with me in a way that derails the point if I take your thinly-veiled bait (Classic Ziryus). If you’d like to backpeddle and withdraw your inexplicably random mention of cross-realm grouping as some sort of “rebuttal” to anything I was saying, I won’t mind.
But if not, I’m really interested to hear some explanation as to how you think “Blizzard’s take on WoW has always included cross realm grouping.” relates to anything I was saying in response to Bodicca’s post.
I’m feeding a troll and you’re just going to attempt to drag this conversation into another pointless diversion like you always do 
Well really, I just wanted to once again point out that Zaalg is a troll and that he seems to get his jollies from the fact that people will die on hills with him solely because he happens to write words that agree with their narrative, even though they could clearly see that he’s the cartoonish villain they so despise if they ever just looked at his post history.
Personally, I don’t tend to say that dungeon finder turned WoW into a lobby game, but I don’t disagree with that assessment whatsoever.
Please explain why you think I don’t know what it means.
I think so, yes. Seeing the WoW team make strides to undo things that many of us reasonably agree were horrible for the game, not only in terms of removing dungeon finder, but in making changes where appropriate that will literally only add to the experience, I would say that the direction they’re currently taking Classic is very un-Activision of them.
And it really kind of needs to be, as Classic is the de facto home of WoW players who abhor the atrocity that is Retail.
Once again, guessing you didn’t ever use the tool in original Wrath?
What is it about Group Finder in Classic that you dislike so much, aside from the bugs?
Authentic Wrath had dungeon finder for <50% of it’s lifetime (much of which was one of the longest content droughts in WoW’s entire history) and <25% of it’s content. At the end of the day each of our perspectives is just an opinion, but it is a fact that the majority of the experience existed without Activision’s corporate influence in dungeon finder.
Of course, I’d be happy to concede implementing dungeon finder with ICC as it was originally. I never expected anything more than parity in the experience of Classic, and though I never want to see dungeon finder implemented in Classic (no matter how many more expansions launch under that name), I wouldn’t complain if it was then.
I didn’t say “this is the ‘original group finder’”.
tHe iLlItErAcY Is aStOuNdInG.
Curiously, it’s the idea that Group Finder would keep you from doing those things that’s incredibly stupid. Dungeon finder doesn’t “get you out in the world”, mounting up and running out in the world does.
But I guess Group Finder is an arcade-style whack-a-mole skill game the requires cat-like focus? You can’t just check every few minutes to see who wants to run the dungeon you’re trying to fill for? Or if you’re trying to join a group, you can’t just click the “Create Listing” button and quest while you wait for something to happen? I would genuinely love to see a video of the high octane Group Finder experience on a typical Maladath day.
This is precisely why I made that connection. They do go for the experience, but you hardly ever see melodramatic fawning over how great the theaters are for putting people together.
Sorry, this one was about as simple as I could make it, so if you’re struggling, I’m not sure how to help.
Yeah I did. 
Stay angry that we disagree though, by all means.
It doesn’t. What it does do is make it incredibly hard or impossible for some people to find groups and run dungeons.
It’s not “essentially” anything from Wrath. Unless you’re trying to claim “chat” was the OG group finder and they enhanced on that (with retail junk) which would be absurd.
You’re such a narcissistic, myopic selfish person. There are people on low pop servers, or low pop factions, who literally spend HOURS trying to run a dungeon. There are low level players who are never successful in running low level dungeons. But you don’t gaf.
Your opinions are garbage, originating in the brain of a completely selfish person.
I did make some friends and we’ve been commiserating about how hard it is to find a dungeon and decent people to play with XD.
This is very mediocre trolling. I am judging you and I expect better of you.
Ah yes, anyone that calls you out is “mediocre trolling”. I can see why Blizzard has ignored this for almost a year now.
Yes I am. And the reason you can’t answer my question is because you didn’t try to make your own group. You somehow expect (and feel entitled to) everyone else will make a group for you. That’s not how this works.
Asking a question that you can’t answer is none of those things.
Proving you wrong and pointing out your fallacious and weak argument isn’t against any rule.
I did sub back for another month, for that pathetic 50% xp boost. I have some time off over the next couple of weekends. So worth it to work on my 70’s healers. Just incase they 1) do add rdf back and 2) lock wrath era servers, like vanilla.
Though i will be canceling those accounts, until rdf is put back in the game or jj stays prement. Hope to have 2 more 80’s by then. Leveling through AV. Would have mixed it up with dungeons but…
You took great offense at my dumb paladin dad joke so yeah I expect you’re seeking attention and what better way than to argue against something popular.
Of course I can’t answer the questions they are either questions about the strawman you constructed or the random crap you’re using to derail the topic of the thread.
Folks if you’re reading this the best way to deal with a forum troll like this guy is to put them on ignore.
What paladin joke? Rest assured, I’ve not taken any offense to things you’ve said. Pointing out your fallacious logic has nothing to do with me being offended. Stop projecting.
Right, because you didn’t try to make your own group. You expect others to make it for you. That’s not how Classic works.
Probably for the best, considering you have zero rebuttal to any of my questions or arguments except to resort to fallacies. And you wonder why Blizzard listens to me and not you. All you’ve done up to this point is destroy your own arguments and discredit your position.