Of course we didn’t kill Jaina. She has plot armor thicker than the Chinese Wall. As for deserving the kill, did Rastakhan deserve to die simply for defending his home? Because it wasn’t the horde you fought there, it was the Zandalari who weren’t even part of the horde at this point, and once the horde army arrived you fled with your tail between your legs.
To you as well. Glad to see you’re alive and kicking. These days you tend to get worried when you don’t see someone posting for a couple of days.
Thank god then, i would not like that the horde can destroy our cities and kill our characters like nothing, screw that i think that i would have deleted my characters if that happened.
What does that has to do with anything? it isn’t our fault that he decided to help the horde in their genocidal campaign.
but just to be clear i don’t think that he should have died, i actually liked him.
because if he is dead then his character will go nowhere.
in any case, the alliance only wanted to capture him to force him to surrender.
He abused of his powers and was overwhelm by it in fact, he actually died with honor, fighting, can we say the same about the people of teldrassil?.
i am trying to be civil, what is even the point of trying to humilliate me with saying something like this? Now i am going to be toxic as well just to return the favor.
The horde deserves nothing more but complete annihilation and a painful death. i strongly believe that the horde existence is a mistake. precisely because of stuff like this.
That is what i mean with “Deserve”. i feel like blizzard owe us a lot.
God i hate what faction war has done to me.
well these days i have been kinda busy with this virus stuff. finally recently i found some free time
i think that i am going to level up a velf
Even if their lore is a mess. the heritage looks cool.
The Zandalari had already given their navy to the Horde for its war before the attack on Dazar’alor:
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Behold the fruit of your labors. Derek Proudmoore… the corpse you recovered from the depths of the sea.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: It shall prove a valuable weapon in our war against Kul Tiras. A dagger to plunge into the very heart of House Proudmoore… when the time is right.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: And thanks to your efforts, the Horde has secured the might of the Zandalari fleet. All that remains is to finish breaking our foes… then we will have victory in this war.
No? So the alliance did not imprison his daughter when all she did was looking for help because she was in a desperate situation and her home was threatened to be destroyed?
yeah as if a king would do that. Genn even acknowledges this afterwards when he says he had no choice but to die for his people.
That was not my intention and I apologize for my choice of words. But you said they fought the horde and that is not true. They lured the horde army away so Dazar’alor was defenseless, they destroyed the Zandalari fleet and killed their king. And then fled when the horde army returned.
See, I would never say such a thing about the alliance. Who’s toxic now
Have fun!
I know, as it is, I have just replayed the war campaign up to this point. But fact is, despite what Sylvanas says, the Zandalari fleet has done absolutely nothing to aid the horde war effort. And they officially joined the horde only after Rastakhan’s death.
Hm, if we want to talk about talanji we can talk about who she was with, zul, under rasthakan blessing tried to conquer the world and attacked the horde and the alliance, twice.
like, we can’t even say that the zandalari are exactly innocent.
Not even speaking of using their vaults to store the scepter stolen from kultiras but then again this is discussion is pointless when i already said that rastha didn’t deserved to die.
If you want to blame someone, blame sylvanas for starting the war and the horde for following her. it wasn’t the alliance, anduin or jaina who attacked first.
Well in real life nations and kings surrendered to either stay in power or just protect their people. is not really insane to think about it.
it is a fact the zandalari helped the horde either directly or indirectly and we do have evidence of this.
it is insane to think that they didn’t attacked without a good reason, anduin and jaina of all people who value peace for the world above all.
They didn’t decided to kill trolls for no reason. and this happened after the horde literally genocided the nelfs.
Like, why the alliance even have mercy for the trolls? Why they are holding back?
screw morals and just go all in.
Rasthakan died with honor. Thats far more than what the nelfs got.
You see, the only reason why i am is because when you are attacked, you must fight back, and if this is the way of doing it so be it.
the way you said sounded more like mocking to me, so i answer accordingly.
Horde players not only show 0 empathy but also mock about it and i am so tired of it, more reasons for me to think this way.
Maybe then they will learn how it feels.
They are completely innocent of the war of thorns. As for the rest, there is no indication in bfa that the alliance ever thought of punishing the Zandalari for what Zul did in cata or mop.
Oh I do blame her, and in the wider sense, the other horde leaders for following her into this war blindly. Doesn’t mean I can’t at the same time blame the alliance for killing Rastakhan.
And I say it was if not insane, then certainly naive of Jaina to believe Rastakhan would surrender his kingdom when he knew the horde army was about to return any moment and chase them out- which they did.
According to Anduin, the goal of the attack was to drive a wedge between the Zandalari and the horde. Didn’t quite work out that way when they killed their king.
Again, the Zandalari had nothing to do with Teldrassil.
Good question. The damage was already done, so why hold back now? Ah yes, because otherwise “we would be no better than the banshee”. That’s just how the alliance is written. Blame Blizzard for that.
And I already apologized for this. I’m not your enemy just because I play horde, and I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but I expect the same courtesy in return.
And Shandris has you kill Zandalari exiles in Vol’dun just to send a message what happens to potential friends to the horde. Still the Zandalari joined the horde officially only after Dazar’alor.
Killing the king was indeed unnecessary. Should have tried to take him alive. Not that they could have, given that Bwonsamdi had his power kill Rastakhan off. Raiding the city to cripple its power, however, I disagree with you, given again that the Zandalari were already attacking Kul’Tiras, as covered.
It is what I wanted. The problem is the method the story used to get her there, well, there was no method. There was nothing that happened in the narrative to change her mind. She was just suddenly advocating peace in the ending to Dazar’alor. Baine giving Derek back could have been her moment to change, but that happened after she already had changed, so it doesn’t work as the trigger.
They didn’t cripple their power by raiding the city though. If anything, they crippled their own power by sacrificing their soldiers in the attempt to take the city. An attempt, that was doomed to failure right from the start given the horde army was about to return any moment. Not to speak of the suicide squad in Nazmir.
They should have destroyed the fleet and left. Everything that happened after that was not only unnecessary but also reckless and stupid because for one, a big part of their army plus Jaina could have died were it not for her plot armor and for another, when they killed Rastakhan they achieved the exact opposite of their goal, which was to drive a wedge between horde and Zandalari.
Agreed, i believe they needed another peacemonger on the alliance side when they set up tyrande as the vengeful warmonger and anduin as peacekeeper so they flopped jaina again.
Do you realize that also means the alliance assaulted Zandalar with purpose of conquering the land?
Literally the nelf sentinels you kill at Nazmir has this dialogue “We will take this land”
Which only shows the bygotry of the alliance that is often hidden by the writers using the golden boy and kinda gives some reason to Sylvanas the Nelves would had attacked the Horde eventually.
This I disagree with you on, given that the Zandalari didn’t show up at the Orgrimmar, and really doesn’t show up again at all for the rest of BfA.
Sounds like the Horde understood why the Zandalari were attacked then, given the threat they had becoming in aiding the Horde, or at least that’s how the Horde thinks.
So opening negociations with the Horde to deal with problems is justification for attacking them now? Sounds like we know now where Sylvanas learnt her tactics and the people that still use them. Literally because you’ve a bad leader does horrible stuff and justication doesn’t mean the other side has to do it, that’s literally what your King says
How ironic when the Alliance does something similar the players try to twist it to be a justified attack which despite the devs already does for them.
Sylvanas is not the Horde, your King knows it and considering the Farrakis are joining in SL. We can say for sure Zandalar is in the way of becoming an ally to the Horde and hopefully will bring some stability.
