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well im only saying PvP just because PvP used to be canonical with the game up until BfA ended, whereas now its sort of just for the gameplay, irrelevant to the story itself

i trust the writers to give us a bit of elf drama before they all hug and make peace lol. there will probably be some big void calamity that will decimate one of the elf gangs and then force them to unit and set aside their differences blah blah blah the usual yknow

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BFA is an example of how to NOT do a pvp like expansion. the expansion from like early on did not have a narative director and alot of the story was altered early on due to internal events at the company so the expansion being used as an example of why we dont want a war between faction expansion is bs. cataclysm basically was alliance and horde at war same with MOP.

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preaching to the choir bfa was a tauren’s backside (besides dark irons being playable)

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if the factions remain seperate 2 differnt stories meaning more story all over which means more things to do.

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They’re naming their people as a race — Not a nationality 
 Otherwise you’d have the Blood Elves in Outland all like “Nono I’m an Outlander Elf” - or the Sunreavers who lived in Dalaran as “Nono we’re the other, other Dala-Elves.” :joy: lol

  • It could be argued that Vereesa’s initial schism alone to the Blood Elves, incurred with her cousin Zendarin Windrunner, as he had claimed the title & had tried to kidnap her children (First impressions & all) — However admittedly, that’s mere conjecture.
  • However later in the book 'Night of the Dragon’ — Vereesa did not believe Zendarin was actually worthy of calling himself a blood elf, stating they would reject him as she would. Indeed, Zendarin seemed to somewhat miss the point of being a Blood Elf (a name taken to honor the fall of their kind), as he revelled in the extinction of their kin.

Regardless at whatever arguments to “fog of war” or other misconceptions, Vereesa & the Silver Covenant could had later chosen to adopt the name ‘Blood Elves’ having understood the true meaning behind the title regardless, yet just merely hold different political views & sways.

No where is it stated either, that every single elf that was in Dalaran at the time kept the title ‘High Elves’ in totality.

Like I said:

Not to mention the name ‘Blood Elves ’ was decreed towards the sacrifice of their people — Not the founding of a new location or classification to people of a specific nation only.

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well we may both be wrong, observe

interesting part

this acccounts for every elf who goes by the term high elf that we know of. had they been in dalaran which they werent they to would have been sent to be genocided by garithos. dude didnt just hate elves hated any non human race. see more of his behavior in the founding of the forsaken part of the undead campaign in warcraft 3 frozen throne.

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See this is the problem as stated above, elf drama. Buncha elf nerds with your elf nonsense.

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wheeee. :grin:



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I’ve posted handfuls of more sources, referenced in-game lore, cited quotes and excerpts from WoW novels that already counter the arguments of alternative reasons as core instead of from the listed schisms I listed earlier.

Not to mention it still doesn’t negate –

:person_shrugging:

Heck on this thread I’ve attempted to offer compromises myself, but as Akston said —

And evidentially from many, if not most of these sorts of elf threads & discussions of such subjects — He’s right.

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If they merged, do you think they would behave? Probably not. I see Blood elves running
the Elvin society and really turning into snobs. NElf’s won’t participate (probably paying their Elf taxes with forest herbs. Nightfallen will will take the brunt of abuse and the Void Elves will be hunted and imprisoned.

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Elves should be merged, Night Elves as Alliance with Nightborne as Horde, same thing with Blood/Void/High Elves.

Tauren should be merged, with Highmountain being a customization that allows you to start in Thunder Totem.

Same for Draenei, Lightforged should be a customization, you start on Vindicaar if you make one.

Same for Orcs, Mag’har as a customization.

Same for Dwarves, Dark Iron as a customization.

Same for Gnomes, Mechagnomes should have been a customization.

Same for Humans, Kul’Tirans should have been a customization.

Allied Races should have been things like Tuskarr, Hozen, Jinyu, you know, actually different races instead of same-skeleton-reskins.

Vulpera are probably the only one that has a case for being a new, unique Allied Race, even though they use the Goblin rigging/skeleton.

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Shut up elf nerds

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No one hunts void elves, we would just turn in to void

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— To be fair, I’m a lore nerd in general.
Not just elves. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


 Or at least I was :unamused: that is until Shadowlands ruined most of it. :sob:

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I’m sorry about your lore problems elf nerd :sparkling_heart:

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:blush: Thanks fellow-elf-nerd :sparkling_heart:

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The explanations will be essential to explain the new void elf paladins (and priests) who use light.
It would be cool if Blizzard could also add light customizations (golden eyes, light tentacles
).

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I’d say not just elves, but most races and their allied race counterparts.

Right now the playable thalassian elf species we have are:

-Blood
-High
-Void
-Darkfallen

I’d be all for taking Blood/Void Elves, merging them into one race, making them neutral, and allowing the player to select their race tag.

Right now, the character creation screen has a lot of clutter on it and merging certain races together would be a good step towards reducing it.

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No, they should not be merged, because they’re already separate races, their cultures exist in direct opposition to each other, and mostly because merging any race with another would be a Sisyphean task. You cannot, in essence, remove an entire race from the character creation system and turn every existing character of that race into another without the game crapping itself, or at least without causing more problems for the devs than they’d “fix”.

I don’t think anyone has ever really fully thought out what exactly merging two or more races, let alone one from the Alliance and one from the Horde, would entail. Let’s say they do pool blood and void elves into one race. What happens to their racials? You can’t have access to all of them on one character because then you’d have a clear advantage over every other race. They would also likely need a new starting experience because blood elves have the entirety of Eversong and the Ghostlands and void elves just have one tiny flavor zone. Void elves would lose the benefit of starting from said flavor zone at level 10. The Horde would lose a faction-specific capital because the Alliance wanted Silvermoon so bad, so the Alliance would need to share the Exodar or Ironforge with the Horde. And so on.

Where did all this talk about merging races come from? Either it’s A.) allied races being merged with their parent races, which would also necessitate giving the Alliance an entirely new race because goblins and vulpera share a rig instead of a species, or B.) merging elven races specifically, such as in this thread, which has mostly been spurred by the ignorant presumption that this will happen in Midnight. Also ironic how the community that regularly asks for more races wants Blizzard to consolidate the ones they consider redundant. Of course, this suggestion is ultimately pointless because the existence of earthen as an allied race proves that Blizzard has no intention of paring down races, so I don’t know why people insist on fighting a war they lost before it even began.

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Indeed, character creation needs to be revamped. :ok_hand:

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