i’d argue better loot if you pug it
the power of pugs lol.
The whole point I was making is they are to bad to do a key to begin with lol. But yes I agree que times would be forever not to mention having to make a que for each key level making it even more convoluted and harder to match people lol the requests people make here are insane lol
Definitely, I was just adding on to it. Wasnt meaning to sound like I was disagreeing or anything.
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Wow, this blew up!
A very long video but some good for thought with summaries.
Discussion between Quazii and Banshers:
It’s kinda good they talked about basically this topic along with the many pro and cons and ‘where’ a proposed Mythic queue system might work.
So I’ll start with the pitfalls:
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Already dividing a type of group content that progressively decreases over an expansion.
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Auto-Q in WoW iteration doesn’t take into account what a class brings/what players are talented into. This will literally stop keys at a certain level.
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‘Start’ before a normal key lets people wait around and adjust. Queue’d content thus far attracts people who have limited time and this would need to be adjusted for.
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Changes would need to be made in this system to ensure the player queuing is able to bring the skills/gear/experience to do the key they queue for. Likely all players using this would need to time as key atleast one below to be able to sign up for a key.
The perks they mention:
- Might bring in players otherwise not inclined due to fear/rejection/bad experiences.
- Might change perception of class comp viability.
- Might encourage players to push farther than they do.
- Keys in the low range (2-7) don’t see much engagement and atleast can be overcome by gear alone for obligatory magic/curse dispell or cure to need. This range ‘could’ be one they start with and then expand or dial it back later.
The first 3 perks are pretty huge maybes to gamble on against the pitfalls.
The pitfalls list also leave out the problem of wows queued content population being unwilling to accept a failure possibility in the run. Would this queued m+ include determination? Luck of the draw? Some other buff to be able to ensure completion?
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I, in fact, am asking for LFG to be removed. Its one of if not the worst things in the game atm. It completely ruins both the community and the game itself with its mere existence.
The community is completely ruined because with the LFG system, other players are no longer seen as other people, they are seen simply as faceless numbers who exist only to serve the needs of the player who is queuing. Massively dehumanizing others, making it seem far more tolerable to flame, troll, and just flat out leave at the slightest hint of an inperfect run. One might stick it out if they are having fun with freinds, but for four faceless numbers they will nvr see again? Nah.
And secondly, the game itself is ruined because it turns late game into queue simulator 6, return of piddling around in insert current capital here saying nothing waiting for the queue to pop. And WoW, for all its many, MANY flaws, is an RPG, it requires community engagement to thrive, which doesnt happen if all one has to do to engage with endgame content is sit around, eat doritos (cheetos are also acceptable here) and mash their fist in the general direction of their keyboard for hours on end.
In conclusion, perhaps no1 but me is asking for the LFG system to be removed, other people are allowed to be wrong. No RPG should rely on some cheap gimmick like LFG to remain functional.
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I dont feel like they put a lot of thought into this:
- players will still have that fear, rejection, and bad experiences. Auto-queue doesnt fix that. Everyone disbanding because the mage keeps body pulling, not knowing mechanics, and standing in fire is the same as rejection. No groups because of you
- meta will still be formed and preferred and in the right hands, superior. People who can think for themselves arent meta slaves. Those who cant will still blame failed auto queue runs on not having the other 4 players playing the meta like me!
- auto-queue would honestly deincentive pushing as the RNG of group composition adds another layer of difficulty, moreso the higher you go
- doubling down on “skip mechanics with gear” mindset is already what we have. We’ll have the same complaints we had in DF S4 with players hitting a wall when mechanics matter because they didnt have to learn them before
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I would not use my key to donate for qued m+ you can’t even be 100% sure you will get a list or brez if you are not a brez class.
I think there was more to it but also was too lazy to summarise each discussion of the point (cause I think it’s a 90 min video 
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Those are fair criticisms!
I wasn’t super big on this idea but I think I’m warming up to it. I atypically tank so I could definitely see myself jumping in to help later on in a season.
It wasn’t in this video but in a different video. I do think in one or the episodes of ‘The Bench’ (tettles, yummytv, squishei) they entertain the idea of a noob buff for low keys. It wasn’t in combination with an auto q tho.
Things actually gets worse in the lower brackets later in the seasons lol
Oh I know it!
For what it’s worth me and two bois (jackdanielss the ret pal and drunks the ench/ele shaman) essentially got ksm done by day 8. Almost every run except one went pretty smooth! Jack kept pushing, me and drunks stopped because I only care about the Mount.
I reroll from ww monk to bm hunter/protection paladin later in the season and there are groups I’ve met who are incapable of beating a +5.
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Got my prot warrior up to 80 and i have yet to time an Ara-Kara with him because nearly 4 months later people still cant do the dang mechanics of last boss
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Yeah i’m fine with this if you also forfeit your ability to get an relevant loot whatsoever other than crests
This would be an unmitigated disaster for anything above like… a 5.
I want the LFG system to be removed, but I also want to poibt out that the second that it does get canned, everyone and I mean EVERYOBE that even remakrs that it be put back in should be 6 month banned when they start to run into groups where if you arent the EXACT thing that they want, you get kicked. I also want to point out that I am in favor of no LFG and any “pillar” of solo content should award slightly strong than world content gear and never go above it, ever. People need to realize that in order to get gear, you should HAVE to participate in grouped content whether you like it, whether its worth it, and whether it feels bad. You are a player, if you want a reward, you go through the system that awards it. Having it on easy mode is a joke and causes us to have to have conversations like this VERY one
If players clear content, why do you care how their group was formed? Because they’re not playing the game the way you think they should?
it will never be time for queued m+, make some friends if you can’t handle the basic premise of people forming their m+ groups having their own best interests in mind rather than your interests.
No one is here to babysit your sorry 300k dps.
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Look forward to 60 minute queues for DPS and then have your tank immediately dip when it becomes apparent that none of the DPS have interrupts bound.
I’m sure the queue would be excruciating as per usual for DPS, but I’d expect for it to be ranked queue similar to PVP game modes, based on your player IO.