It's the economy

[Ehma-korgath]

Then it’s the behaviors (that can be performed whether there’s a token or not) that (legitimately) add gold to the game.

I’m not for any of these changes, by the way (although I wouldn’t fuss if banks were added). But this is the first discussion I’ve seen on vellum, and it’s against. lol

Nooooo I don’t think you’re really grasping what I’m telling you.

Let’s just say you love to pvp in vanilla, and that’s all you do. Once you hit end level, get your mount, what do you really need gold for? You may want to respec or something so you’ll go out and get that gold and burn it. There is no more incentive to farm. Or let’s just say you’re a raider, you go out, you get the money you need to raid that night, and then you burn it. There is no incentive to farm anymore past what you need, wouldn’t you agree?

Now let’s add in tokens… Well if you just farmed gold for like an hour or so maybe you’ll get free WoW! The incentive to farm gold is now never ending. Tokens are a consumable resource that never ends. If you just farm gold nonstop now you can pay for some overwatch skin or the new call of duty game or whatever you want. Tokens add in an incentive that isn’t there before.

And to be honest, none of this really matters, as the biggest reason tokens shouldn’t be in vanilla is the simple fact that it wasn’t there and kills the aspect of actually farming for your own gold for a majority of the population and just gives free handouts with the swipe of the card…

But even if that didn’t play a factor into the game, it would STILL be a major F up.

[Novox-emerald-dream]

If you really came to that conclusion even after quoting what I said, you really need to go back to school.

Oof! That hurt.

I found the guy who doesn’t know how to farm gold in vanilla everybody!

But seriously you have no idea what you’re talking about so just sit this one out bud.

Darn it, you got me!

Guess I didn’t win any internet points this time

P.S. You’re obviously the brightest crayon in the box.

[Sírre-malfurion]

Token is already in game it’s not going anywhere.
Only question is whether or not they can be directly traded in Classic.

If not then Classic gold farmers will simply trade Classic gold to Retail gold and get their tokens that way.
Now if Blizzard actually comes out and states that trading gold between Classic and retail is not allowed then that is a whole different ballgame.
But in order for that to happen they would have to change their terms of service and end user license agreement.

[Truxton-aggramar (Truxton)]

Don’t get me wrong-I think purchasing gold with real money is pathetic-I’m against the token. You may have a valid point. I never maxxed level until TBC, but I was a gold farming, very wealthy dwarf.

But if you’re correct (who am I to say?) my point is none the less also correct.

[Latherfal-nordrassil (Latherfal)]

The Postal Office of Azeroth was always against Guild Banks.

[Kelzar-agamaggan (Kelzar)]

Except you are just stating an opinion, you have no evidence to back it up.

Sure it sounds good, but so does a “the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” makes sense when you first hear it, but reality doesn’t support the statement.

You do not know what it has done to gold farming in the game, it could be true that it increased gold in the economy, could also be true that it caused more people to gain gold by using the AH thus removing gold from the economy.

[Ehma-korgath]

Darn it, you got me!

Guess I didn’t win any internet points this time

P.S. You’re obviously the brightest crayon in the box.

If I’m not, then that’s super embarrassing for you, considering I just ripped apart your whole argument. Yikes. That’s like losing a spelling bee and then calling the person who beat you the R word. Doesn’t look great for you.

But if you’re correct (who am I to say?) my point is none the less also correct.

I guess technically? But that’s the whole point. Yes the token isn’t the one going out farming the gold, it’s obviously the people. But the token gives that person a reason to farm that gold, without them there is no reason to over farm it as much as people do when it is present.

[Kelzar-agamaggan (Kelzar)]

If they were to implement a classic token, from everything they have said, it would have to be set to each server, and then it would have to either have 2 prices one for each faction or only be tradeable on the neutral AHs.

[Kelzar-agamaggan (Kelzar)]

You have not ripped apart anything…

You have made an assertion and have provided nothing to back up that assertion.

[Novox-emerald-dream]

Yes the token isn’t the one going out farming the gold, it’s obviously the people. But the token gives that person a reason to farm that gold, without them there is no reason to over farm it as much as people do when it is present.

This entire statement can be compiled down to:

So your complaint is that more people will be playing the game more often?

And if you can’t see that logic then I’m not sure this is worth my time.

[Ehma-korgath]

Except you are just stating an opinion, you have no evidence to back it up.

Sure it sounds good, but so does a “the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” makes sense when you first hear it, but reality doesn’t support the statement.

You do not know what it has done to gold farming in the game, it could be true that it increased gold in the economy, could also be true that it caused more people to gain gold by using the AH thus removing gold from the economy.

Lol I sure can provide evidence for this! You know what the biggest spikes in prices that the WoW token has had? When blizzard made them pay for blizzard balance instead of just subs is one of them.

So that brings the question, why would there suddenly be more gold in the game just because blizzard did this? It didn’t actually change anything in the game. All the same gold making activities were in place the week before. But for some reason, there just HAPPENED to be way more gold in the game right around this time.

Is this a coincidence? Of course not… the token added another incentive for people to farm more gold. More people bought tokens because they wanted to buy other blizzard goods, and more people sold tokens because they wanted to fat gold payout. This is really simple stuff my friend.

[Sírre-malfurion]

If they were to implement a classic token, from everything they have said, it would have to be set to each server, and then it would have to either have 2 prices one for each faction or only be tradeable on the neutral AHs.

This is correct.
And I don’t know if they will add it.
All I know that if they don’t then the players will trade between Classic and Retail anyway, unless they make that be against the rules.

[Ehma-korgath]

And if you can’t see that logic then I’m not sure this is worth my time.

Lol buddy…buddy…buddy…

Just because you’re playing the game…doesn’t mean you’re farming gold. Right? Answer this question yes or no.

[Ehma-korgath]

You have not ripped apart anything…

Dudes whole argument was that you can’t free farm gold in vanilla because you are limited to the amount of resources you have…

I told him that’s not how you farm gold in vanilla and it is an infinite resource in dungeons…

I ripped it apart, try again later child.

[Ehma-korgath]

All I know that if they don’t then the players will trade between Classic and Retail anyway, unless they make that be against the rules.

It’s in their ToS that you can’t trade goods across different games. Idk if they will enforce it but it is in their rules.

[Sírre-malfurion]

It’s in their ToS that you can’t trade goods across different games. Idk if they will enforce it but it is in their rules.

It’s just a server option.
It’s the same game.

[Novox-emerald-dream]

Just because you’re playing the game…doesn’t mean you’re farming gold. Right? Answer this question yes or no.

Playing the game either creates gold or destroys it. You are either doing something in the game that generates gold, or spends it. It’s the same in real life. For instance, at my billing rate, I’ve spent about $200 to tell you you’re wrong. Which isn’t worth it.

[Ehma-korgath]

It’s just a server option.
It’s the same game.

Blizzard stated multiple times there is no connection to these games and they are completely separate games.

[Ehma-korgath]

Playing the game either creates gold or destroys it. You are either doing something in the game that generates gold, or spends it. It’s the same in real life. For instance, at my billing rate, I’ve spent about $200 to tell you you’re wrong. Which isn’t worth it.

So if I choose to just play in bgs at end level, and all I do is BG am I farming gold for a major amount of time? Yes or no.

You aren’t grasping what I’m telling you, that they will change players playstyles to have MORE gold farming in them.

So I will ask you this once again. Does playing WoW always mean I am just making gold. Yes or no.

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

heirlooms destroyed the economy.

they replaced armor drops, jewelry drops, weapon drops, only needed to be enchanted once and since never replaced, never needed another enchant. they replaced player made cloth, leather, mail and plate armors, as well as many trinkets and jewelry and weapons. and since account bound could be shared between your chars on the same server even after enchanted or cross realm on account without enchant.

it had a chain reaction: herbs, cloth, skins, ore, stones, gems, dusts and crystals, were no longer needed for the production chain of tailoring, enchanting, leatherworking, mining, armorsmithing, weaponsmithing, blacksmithing and some aspects of engineering and jewelry making.