How does that affect the argument at all? I can still say the same things for both. I can even argue that the entire game is cosmetic. Everything you see in the game is pixels being generated on your monitor by your video card.
What is so hard about being consistent? Either accept or reject the “Don’t like it, don’t use it” point of view. By all means make arguments in favor of nerfing drums (i.e. “it is more authentic to BC”, “it makes the content harder”, “it is more fun”) and make arguments in favor of a store mount ( i.e. “Gives blizz more money so they don’t raise subscription prices”, “I want it. It looks cool”). But don’t be a hypocrite with
something I don’t like: “Hey this needs fixed. I can’t just not use it”
Something I do like: “don’t like it, don’t use it”
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i’ve never been into a level appropriate mythic raid and the fact they balance retail entirely around it and ruined my spriest for two entire expansions didn’t make me go on an anti mythic raid(er) crusade. i just… didn’t do it. and did WQ as holy.
that’s the plain truth. if you don’t like it, don’t use it.
anything beyond that…any pearl clutching… any threatening to quit… that’s you trying to police how others play. that has nothing to do with what you want but specifically about what you don’t want others to have.
You arent very good at recognizing how context changes something are ya?
“I like punching people”
“Thats wrong!!!”
“Why, I am a boxer?”
“PUNCHING PEOPLE IS WROOOOOONNNGGGGG”
I can be fine with boxers punching people, but not with throwing haymakers in walmart
I’m not sure how to respond to your question without repeating myself.
A cosmetic item has no practical impact on the game. It is… cosmetic. It’s irrelevant. It’s fluff. Full stop.
Things that impact gameplay are not fluff. Drums are not fluff.
I’m not trying to be difficult but your claim of equivalence makes no sense to me.
They always come with the same terrible argument of the so-called, “slippery slope” blizzard’s cash shop has always been strictly optional. Everyone starts at the same spot and aren’t being limited… these purists or doomsayers are always the same thing, they act like these cash shops are like some of these mobile war games where if you aren’t paying loads of cash you can’t do anything. Wow though, don’t wanna use cash shop? No problem you are still going to be able to play at your pace.
I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I’m not talking about whether or not drums or store bought mounts or whatever anyone can come up with is “good” or not or if I’m “fine” with it. To go along with your example, I’m not talking about punches. I’m talking about the reasoning people use.
And the reasoning people use involves context beyond the one variable that you have decided is the primary common factor.
If someone says 2+3=5 and the situation is now 2+4. Just because both equations have 2 in it doesnt mean it will logically have the same outcome.
Beautiful! Rich irony here.
No, he has zero issue with context, rest assured. Rather, it is others who cant grasp the nature of analogies, and mistake them for equivocations. It’s actually a widespread phenomenon, and the best one can hope for is sites to refer them to.
Seems related to the human intellect’s ability to abstract, a fascinating subject in its own right.
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ugh it’s not even 9am. take your “math” elsewhere.
Alright then go on.
If you think a cosmetic mount that has no impact on overall game play versus drums that has no impact on cosmetics but is solely a game play impact is the same thing.
Curious to see how you equate the two as the same thing. Since you are arguing that it is logically inconsistent for people to react to them differently.
It is not the reaction. I never claimed it was logically inconsistent for people to react to them differently. It can be perfectly logical for someone to react to the drum nerf with “Oh thank goodness I didn’t want that meta” and also to react to a store bought mount (we have no confirmation of it yet, this is all hypothetical) with “Oh heck no that shouldn’t be in the game”. VIce versa can also be perfectly logical. If you look above I even made arguments for both.
I’m saying it is hypocritical to look at something you personally want in the game, look at the people who don’t want it, and just say “Hey don’t like it don’t use it.” But then when someone makes the same argument back to you say “hey no its an MMO we can’t just not use things like that.”
If the things are remotely similar then yes it would be hypocrisy.
In this case I dont think they are. There is zero social pressure to buy a mount, no raid is going to require a store mount, or factor it into their decisions on who to invite to a raid or into their guild.
Drums however is the complete opposite. It will have a significant impact on who gets invited to raids or guilds. It is also not just a personal buff, but a group buff so its not just your own output impacted, but everyone else in your group.
Like if drums were personal DPS? I wouldnt care and wouldnt bother with leatherworking. But because it impacts others? I would bite the bullet and have it eat up one of my profession slots.
So the magnitude of the impact on gameplay has a significant impact on how people will react to something. Each person has their own personal thresholds.
I personally know I would react differently to someone who lost a penny versus someone who lost their life savings. Is this hypocrisy to you?
There should be loot tokens in the cash shop. For $40 you can have any item you want with zero effort. Unlimited supply.
Dont like it? Don’t buy it.
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i take it you want sated to exist too then or are you okay with bringing 98374927492837498234 shaman and rotating them?
Heck yeah I want sated to exist, even better make the groups lock in combat.
Just so the dps will shut the heck up and less room for error.
“WAHHHH I CANT PARSE THIS WEEK BECAUSE I ONLY GOT 3 BLOODLUST INSTEAD OF 4 STUPID RAID LEADER!!!”
If no sated means no boost, no cash shop mounts, no more retail BS added to the game? Yes, i’ll take it.
No I already pointed out above that reacting differently isn’t hypocritical at all. Denying others the same argument you want to make is hypocritical though. Just make better arguments is all I’m saying. Lots of non hypocritical and perfectly consistent arguments people can make for drums, boosts, store bought mounts, faction change, etc.
“Hey I want this in the game. So I can use the Don’t like it, don’t use it argument”
“WHAT??? you WANT un nerfed drums in the game? Oh heck no. And don’t you dare come at me with the don’t like it, don’t use it argument”
sated IS retail BS that would be added to the game. yall are all secretly #somechanges and i knew it. XD
Reading is hard. Straw mans are easy.
Secretly? I been about the changes since the beginning.
Quit during TBC so explain what that has to do with retail?