You mean, making the most mindless three button specs stronger than anything else isn’t good for the health of the game?
Where are all the people crying bloody murder when DH was good?
Games dead because its playerbase is split between so many game modes. Solo/BGB also split retail pvp even further. There is also a lack of new player influx in PVP rightfully so.
I mean heck my ques at 1800-2100 are people with 2-3x as many glads as me every other game or sporting some R1 title or another. Sure veteran players can hold their own a bit but I imagine new ppl queing into seasoned players IF they even exist would be like uh yea this game sux lol.
Even an mmo like BDO prob has more pvpers then wows ladder lmao. Aint no real fix for it either. LoL has better PVP and other games. MMO PVP is a very specific taste not for everryone which only gets muddier with everything going on in wow and addons/wa required to even have any semblance of whats going on.
Were just the guys playing the instruments on titanic deck at this point going down with the ship. Enjoy it while it lasts. I just had this convo the other day with my healer who was getting frustrated in 3s and my other DPS said im always so positive and never care and my response was “Imagine caring enough to get flustered about WoW pvp there is like a few thousand people left playing this boomer game”. Gave them some new perspective. Its prob not even a few thousand but only like 1000-1500 players
WoW PVP is like finding a dying mmo with 1000-3000 players left and barely maintained and signing up for it. It is what it is.
My opinion is it wil never be revived or have a WoW Reborn level of tens of thousands influx and whats left will continually dwindle to a smaller dedicated handful. In first season of a new expac it feels like S4 of an xpac where there is no participation and everyones waiting for the new xpac launch.
Games PVP scene is dying, enjoy your time, friends and memories here bois
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Nah just make the game feel super rewarding to play so people are always motivated to queue. Its not that deep.
Another thing to note is that mythic plus and raid are also on sharp decline. If they made the pve and story and marketing way better for the rest of the game there would be way more wow players overall.
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Nah, it’s literally just 3s. It’s a very old game mode and most people are tired of it. Shuffle and BGB is the future.
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as pvp participation has been cut in half compared for DF S1
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Says who? I’m getting 10 minute queues in BGB and my shuffle queues are about the same. Stop watching Venruki videos man.
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not subbed to venruki don’t really watch his content just going off number of people getting X pvp achievement like 1k cr in a rated bracket
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PvP seems as alive as it’s ever been for shuffle and BGB.
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1h 23 m wait for solo is alive?
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People are on holiday break. 
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Its never been more rewarding. Vicious mounts easy to get, elite sets easy to get, enchant lowered to 1950 weapons to 2100. Everying short of a glad mount has been made nearly free. Blitz is free rating to get all of it.
None of that matters if there is no one left to play for it but a dedicated bunch that keeps on dwindling in number.
WoW is fun if you’ve been around for awhile but roping in the amount of people to
- buy wow and sub
- level a toon and learn pvp if they even decide to pvp
To make it feel lively will never happen. The PVE side already has no interest in PVP and most hate it lol. WoW rated PVP is in its death throes, anyone can see it. It won’t ever really die even years from now seasons will still feel like now with the dedicated few hanging around. Were not gonna see a huge influx of PVE players suddenly wanting to git gud at arena lol.
We won’t ever see 7,000+ gladiators like unchained though or dozens of groups in LFG. Solo ques will continue to lengthen with no influx of players and no one wanting to heal.
Once they gut BGB rating and make everyone hardstuck there at 2k that will be a pretty nasty blow to participation too tho.
It is what it is /shrug. I think most people here have made peace with the fact PVP is a dying community and continuing to shrink.
Heck they could hang out glad mount at 1800 with vicious and it will still feel dead after everyone gets theirs for season lol
IF they reworked the mmr/rank system it might see more play but with how slow they are to balance specs/talent trees in PVP its not gonna draw in anyone new or create a massive influx.
MMO players are creatures of habit. We stick to our MMOs of choice, your not gonna rip a bunch of players from GW2, EQ, BDO, BnS, FF online to come play wow and PVP here.
The PVE players here aren’t gonna suddenly ditch their raid and m+ routines.
The classic players arent coming back either.
The casual players arent gonna get enticed to sign up for wow arena and get squashed by washed up BFA/SL glads from 1500-2k and all the current glads/r1s past 2k.
None of that will ever happen. Were creatures of habit who stick to what we like and do. Hence there won’t ever be a change.
The only single thing that could ever change WoWs PVP scene would be like FF reborn level event and azeroth dead and all new classes/specs/rank system/pve system entire world redone ground up. THEN and only then you might see thousands of new ppl going ooh i wanna check this game out now lol.
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We had long seasons in the past but titles were distributed by % of brackets meaning to inflation distributed titles.
Inflation was in game but lightly and as a result there wasn’t a such thing as safe glad for rat league players like me.
Because of the way titles were done Q’s popped because you needed to compete till end of season to secure titles unless you were a R1 god that let’s all admit it 99% of us aren’t.
So I look at the modern system and see glaring issues, but I dont have a problem with long seasons because long seasons are actually kinda cool because its slightly more alt friendly if you multiclass.
so like when the break ends do people have to quit work and go play wow instead or
They do need to like do something hype though and honestly for me, missing legion, bfa, slands. Old enchants, old tabards, old elite sets would be something to grind out on multiple toons.
Say for sets, 2.2cr and above/so many wins above this rating = 1 piece of old set every certain amount of w’s.
Old tabards, 2.4cr and above, so many wins above this rating.
Old enchants like MoP ones, 2.7cr and above so many wins.
Old heads need to not hold on to things in the past and Blizz kinda need to throw everything at the game to make it alive again. I don’t think this would solve it, but it would be extremely cool.
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With the current mmr system no one but current glads/r1s would see that. 2k in 3s is people riding in one triple DF glad mounts.
Doesn’t help the WoW PVP community is toxic trash that constantly tears each other down and newer folks entering the scene driving further ppl away. The amount of people ripping into someone in shuffle and BGB is pretty wild and commonplace.
I report and move on but if I had to be subjected to being flamed every game while trying to improve I wouldn’t stick around long. As far as I’m concerned this community deserves to watch it go up in flames around them.
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I feel it. Really sucks because balance wise things are pretty decent. We’ll see if end of season draws enough people back to breathe some life into the scene. I literally have no idea how much longer we have this season. It feels late already.
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This season feels like S4 of an xpac in terms of life. This season ends like feb/march
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The fix for low participation is simple, rating decay. Every week they need to require X amount of rounds played in each respective bracket. If you fail to do x rounds, you lose both mmr and cr.
Also, I still think getting rid of mmr and cr and just having rating is better. Play the games, get your rating, climb or fall, simple.
Kind of wild. S4 DF felt more active. Granted it was assa/affli horrible meta.
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That gets rid of alts and makes the game a chore. Not the biggest fan of that. Played when honor would decay and hated it. Couldn’t get high warlord and still do life.