the guy on the limit maximum stream said that numbers on the lower specs are not very accurate cause nobody is playing them.
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Bard rogue or bust!
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I bet their legendary effects are going to get pretty buffed next update on the PTR. 
Man. How crazy is it Assassination got buffed 3x and is in the position it’s in? lol
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Next PTR update is going to tell us a lot about which Rogue specs rise while others retreat to the shadows.
As the world turns.
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What gets me is the focus on “raid performance” in an RPG. It’s important to be accepted, so I get it, but wish there was a little more thoughtful reflection by The Company™ on who and why certain classes could or should be on top, and by The Community® on whether the game is a combat simulator or a role-playing game.
First, focus on NUMBER of parses. You can see a massive imbalance for RDPS vs MDPS.
This is encounter design. In reality, melee never has perfect uptime, while emergent advantage for ranged with target access plus high mobility unlock a higher uptime ratio in general for ranged. There may be a solution with strong nerfs to the mobility of range classes, and forcing them to remain stationary to outperform melee counterparts, but ask why if melee can just be made to slightly overperform (e.g. look where WW is this tier).
(The fact AoE hard caps for melee were put in place without enforcing stationary requirements for ranged reeks of preferential bias… Which we should have already known.)
But let’s talk about the top two classes and focus on niche and spec design.
Balance druid being on top is sheer stupid. What is their niche? Everything. Spec needs busted, my opinion, and treated more like a burst swarm spec, or they need a MUCH steeper Eclipse ramp to justify their overperforming.
Affliction warlock pumping in raid is good though, especially since they ramp. Ramp should have rewards, but not everyone needs a ramp. If you have one, in a raid boss encounter, you should do better overall than someone who can frontload their damage profile. Also, to have DoTs ticking on “dance” mechanics should increase your end-of-encounter performance, compared to burst specs. Totally reasonable expectation.
So what’s the takeaway? Damage ramps should have rewards. Complexity should be rewarded. And lastly, Blizzard sucks at class balance (which at this point, it seems obvious they really don’t care as long as it’s “Good Enough”).
But combat simulator talk makes me nauseous. Let me go into roleplay world and focus up on rogues.
I like the idea of dagger rogues, but I dislike the anime-esque shadow magic or poison powers. It sucks to be torn between trad thief and weeb ninja. At least swords is a bit closer to Combat since Legion (and strangely don’t mind the pocket guns), so there’s something “available”, even if I have to mog Ogre Pocket Knife in both hands to make it work.
WoW overall is an okay game, but Retail is mostly a P2W mobile “Choose a Champion” game on a desktop chip for appx $15 monthly just for access, so I’m not sure what good any of this does. At least you get the joy of socializing with rats like me. Cheers.
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Just got my Sin alt to 60 recently. Does anyone else feel like the DoT damage tickles? Envenom and melee damage feels fine but the poison and bleeds feel very undertuned. Hopefully it’ll get batter at high gear levels but idk.
Rogues need help!
BlizZard wake up!
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I think they are trying to get all rogues to pay for 50 boosts to reroll.
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Thanks for all the feedback. My rogue is lvl 45 sitting in Boralus. I think it will sit there for a while longer and I’ll level a different toon till some of these buffs/fixes are in place. Was thinking of playing either Sub or Sin but it appears only Outlaw is relevant(barely).
Well Sin is getting some really nice changes, who knows how it will be
Not meta that’s for sure. All 3 Rogue specs are playable, but none will be meta, especially after the MA changes.
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What’d they do to MA?
It won’t work with trinkets or any of the items available in dungeons anymore. So no real reason to use a rogue in MDI over a WW or DK unless you need two skips which doesn’t seem to be the case. Rogue was used pretty much because of MA in NW in the MDI, now we’re just ok dmg with a group skip vs DK doing better DPS with more utility or WW which is giga DPS. Rogue is in a bad place for PvE this expac.
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Good players change specs. I’ve changed from sub to outlaw and I personally know several players changing to be more useful. If you are pushing mythic and do not change to your best performing spec you are going to be benched.
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Can you list a source for that? I would actually love a nerf on that stupid legendary and have been advocating it even before the kyrian rogue gutting.
Also classes, you’d be better off as a DK or WW monk…or in reality a MM Hunter if you really care about pushing mythic.
The source is the Rogue Discord. Apparently the Legendary power was flagged to not work for those abilities anymore. So basically Mark of the Master Assassin now only affects auto-attack and Rogue abilities’ critical strike chance, nothing else.
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That’s strange, it worked with my skulker’s this morning when I did my Maw route. Are they on the PTR or something?
Yes it’s currently on the PTR as part of 9.0.5
Basically Rogues are getting nerfed. Like I said, why bring a Rogue now when a WW or DK does it better? Even for skips unless you need 2, you can potion.
This class needs help with some kind of group utility on top of shroud and some buffs for sustained DMG. Even Outlaw which is middle of the pack is going to be out of the meta thanks to the MA change. I’m playing Sub and clearing +15s with my group and am fine, but it’s just frustrating to know I could go play my WW monk or DK and in a few weeks after attaining some gear bring much more dmg and utility to my group making our runs that much smoother. Right now I’m being selfish forcing them to play with a sub-par Rogue.
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Benched for a tier thats already over lol
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Some people want to clear mythic?
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