Its not too late to scrap half of the Haranir and pair then with the Amani

[Syegfryed-tol-barad (Syegfryed)]

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The ‘why’ is the important part here.

the why is not rly important if you are forced to do it or not

It end up boiling down to “im down for it” or “im not”

Either way you do it, your play another game.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Order Halls offered many and multiple ‘whys’

no, the why still is because the legion gonna destroy the world

What you are talking here is about the HOWS, not the why, HOW they will handle it

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

That’s not what the box said. The box said ‘epic adventure’.

And still is an epic quest with alliance and horde

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I don’t even see mention of the Horde or Alliance.

so you are not reading the words when you gonna create a character? so its a reading problem

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

And the first two don’t count since it’s just ‘RAH BLUE/RED BAD’ and is an excuse to justify World PvP. I DONT LIKE IT

Here i fixed for you.

Its rly tiring to discuss this with you when it all boils down to you not liking the game you signed up to play and dismissing everything related to it

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Anyone with a working brain and the ability to conceive of consequences would have been able to see that Thrall’s entire settling and lack of planning afterward was a doomed martyrdom.

You know that because you found the consequences later.

There is no way to tell what was going to happen when thrall settle orgrimmar, things could have improved afterwards due to their alliance with the taurens

Again, you are judjing by meta knowledge and not being honest

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

… What? You’re honestly saying that, what, no one remembers the Terran Confederacy or the Protoss or the Zerg? Or the GDI and Nod? Come on, be serious here

Yes, nobody remember then, UNLESS YOU PLAYED THEN

With warcraft, you didnt even need to play the game to know

thats the difference, you could get someone who only played actionrpg, visual novels, sport games, console games, someone that only watched anime, everyone would know about horde and alliance existed, even if they didnt understood any of it

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Doesn’t make sense?

It doesnt.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

we’re epic adventurers at this point, the pinnacle of our classes. It would make perfect sense at this point to be confronted by the possibility of leaving our faction and working independently from that point forward.

We already were epic adventures in vanilla, WE DEFEATED AN OLD GOD.

Why the hell would you leave your family, your home and your friends to 'work indepently"?

Again: you are not playing a single player dnd game, you are bound and restricted by the setting rules.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Did said general have repeated, constant reminders that what he was about to do was, in fact, a very bad idea?

Yes, i gave his name, read up about him

the story is filled with events like this.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

That’s worst-case scenario, you know.

Thats the ONLY case scenario.

the longer stormwind deal with their problems deeper the horde will get in their territory, thats why the alliance, as a whole, help stormwind deal with their problem frist

thats why they are allies in the first place

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

As in, the time for us fighting each other is long past.

Its not, its literally not

There is countless of unsolved problems, grudges and there are more to be created

this conflict is infinite as a long different races exist.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

The Forsaken were present, but at that point it’s debatable whether Sylvanas was there representing the Forsaken, the Horde, or strictly herself. After all, her actions hadn’t lined up with Forsaken interests for a while at this point. Let’s check out how she was ‘recruiting’ new Forsaken back in the Garrosh days. What a focus on ‘free will’ she had there with the insta-brainwashing and such.

You always end up trying to split hairs instead of accepting you were wrong about it

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

And the solution is… Abandon your seclusion and decide ‘well we’re fully in your corner and not just temporary allies until this gets cleaned up’

The solution is either ally with the alliance and gain their support to drive the orcs out

or lose your sacred lands forever

You dont need to be a genius to understand what happened.

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

I’m not speaking narratively, I’m speaking mechanically.

I know, and im telling you, it wasnt parity mechanically for that

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

… You need to replay WC2 and WC3 and then look back at this post and realize how wrong you are.

skulls, bones, red, axes, blood thunder

same theme.

horde even accepted warlocks again

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

And you think every citizen of Azeroth is cool with the Faction War?

they sure want their faction to win

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

At this point I’m amazed there hasn’t been a peasant’s revolution against all faction leadership.

why would they do that? they see all the time the enemy faction invading their lands, stealing their food and killing their family, they want revenge not “revolution for peace”

[Krauth-bleeding-hollow]

My point is that when Haranir were pushed into Midnight with the whole TWW end patch rehashed into a trio, whatever people thought they would be lost any meaning. There are things blizzard can redo based on how troublesome it would be for them, what the OP is asking is def something they won’t ever redo.

[Kazethera-llane]

It’s funny you mention that, I ran through ICC last night as a random thing on my main, and when I got to the point where the captains decide to have a… boat… measuring contest, and I almost injured myself eyerolling. I’d forgotten about that particular example of how monumentally STUPID the entire HvA “pillar of the game” is.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

The only thing I got out of this ranting thread of nonsense is that angry people can’t spell Haranir.

[Kazethera-llane]

Come on, they’re colorful, gummy, and almost flavorless, I can call them Hariboo.

[Jeleri-stormrage]

@Kazethera-llane

And it’s often those… outspoken… players who are the biggest pushers of the HvsA conflict as the only thing that matters in WOW…

It would be such a simple solution.
It would appease those who always cry about certain racials, because they’d then have access to all racials in their favorite faction.
It would appease everyone who complains about always getting crappy races, while the other faction gets the better ones, because, again, all races would be available in both factions.

And I bet you that the vast majority, who don’t open one rant thread after another in the forums, would be happy about more freedom in gameplay, while only the handful of people who want to gatekeep everything would keep complaining, but ironically, they still wouldn’t cancel their sub.

[Christtel-stormrage]

Agree but its too late and blizzars too stubborn.

[Ohgodimblind-area-52]

People really need to stop thinking they can backseat develop at the 11th hour.

[Christtel-stormrage]

Its the central point of the game. Pure flavor that shows you real world reactions. Just because theres a big bad doesnt mean we get to kiss and hug and forget everything.

Alliance v horde is wow and whenever an expansion shys away from that or purposefully tries to gaslight eveeyone into eternal peace we get the worst expansions in terms of lore ever.

[Kazethera-llane]

H vs A hasn’t been a strong pillar since vanilla.

It’s been a concrete block chained to the ankle of the game.

[Nazarion-silvermoon]

@Sendryn-sentinels

people can’t spell Haranir

They are a joke, so I treat them like one. Calling them Temu Avatars or Haranaerererersrsrers is just giving them the mockery they deserve.

[Christtel-stormrage]

What an insane take. Its literally the game. Without it there is no game, no characters , no lore. As we have seen the last 3 expansions where its all been pure gaslighting and peace with the most atrocious lore ever added to the game.

[Nazarion-silvermoon]

@Kazethera-llane

a… boat… measuring contest

Yeah, it was a fun fight, at the time, but a lot of the HvA stuff was always forced. When it was like that, tongue in cheek, it was fine from a levity pov. It was more of a unfriendly rivalry.

The only time it annoyed me was when they tried to push it into hot war status because we knew the Alliance would be used as a punching bag and never allowed to actually get any sort of retaliation in. That is why I hated the very idea of BFA from the time it was announced. And of course it went exactly the way we all thought it would.

[Kazethera-llane]

BfA called, said to pass on “look how awesome and fundamental the faction conflict is!”

[Kazethera-llane]

(That’s why some people are sitting there giving a pair of birds to the screen every time someone says ‘but it’s only alpha’… alpha is almost too late already for the big problems Blizz keeps adding or re-adding…)

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Nazarion-silvermoon

They are a joke

Says the Dracthyr…

But at least us Dracs aren’t constantly being whined about now.

[Nazarion-silvermoon]

@Sendryn-sentinels

Says the Dracthyr

Yeah this is my highest level Dragon dude. Which is better than what I have for the fox ones, I haven’t even unlocked them yet. Probably won’t the Temu Avatars either unless they unlock by just leveling up.

[Ohgodimblind-area-52]

@Kazethera-llane

H vs A hasn’t been a strong pillar since vanilla.

See, I’d disagree with this; most of the game’s expansions and vanilla content had horde and alliance in varying degrees of conflict with each other from clod war/border skirmishes to active hot wars.

@Kazethera-llane

It’s been a concrete block chained to the ankle of the game.

Yup.

From a lore perspective the faction conflict has been a millstone around the neck of both factions; hostile third parties have consistently been able to take advantage of these conflicts and thus force the factions to put aside their differences and deal with them so that they can go back to peen waving at each other.

Beyond that, it’s functionally impossible for either faction to “win” since doing so would effectively erradicate one of the two most central touchstones from the game and piss off around half the player base.

And from an out of game standpoint, the game and the players have been moving towards a more integrated expierience for years now; horde and alliance players had been clamoring since legion for crossfaction gameplay to be a thing and this ultimately proved to be a boon when they began exploring it in SL and DF. Further, integrating the factions means that the Devs have far less work that they have to do because they’re sculpting far less faction specific content and can thus put more effort into general content that is available to everyone.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Ohgodimblind-area-52

See, I’d disagree with this; most of the game’s expansions and vanilla content had horde and alliance in varying degrees of conflict with each other from clod war/border skirmishes to active hot wars.

Even War Within saw some tension between the two.

[Nazarion-silvermoon]

@Sendryn-sentinels

tension

Tension is fine. We can live together, have a little rivalry, but not trying to blow each other up all the time. Blizz has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they don’t have anywhere near the narrative skill to pull that off in a satisfying way. Best to leave that in the past.