It's good to see Ion believes M+ loot is too good

[Smoothbrain-azjolnerub]

@Cinderpetal-stormrage

I also have no issues raiding. I’m pugging to get the Goo Kitty and pugging to get my trinkets. It’s not my main game mode because how time intensive it is and I’m not in a guild, but I have no issues with it being a fun, valid, equal game mode.

I just don’t want to take things away from people who enjoy different stuff than me just to satiate my own insecurities, my own inferiority complex or just so they can suffer in the mud with me because the content I enjoy currently sucks.

If mythic raids were 10 mans, I would do them as well.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

I suggest you make a thread on this and tell blizzard to make the seasonal raids optional then, so it doesn’t effect mount grinds. That’s your issue. Present it to blizzard directly.

[Brewa-hyjal]

I did, when season 4 was announced.

A BUNCH of us did.

When Blizzard announced that ALL RAIDS WOULD BECOME FATED after a rotation, we complained again.

Now there’s that Fated Console in every fated raid, and we’re asking “What is this for? Is it going to turn fated off?”

And Blizzard won’t even say.

[Onepi-area-52]

Honestly just do away with the vault and let us upgrade to 311. 20 for 298, 24 keys for 304, 28 for 311 with a cap to the amount that can be 311 - like weapons only or something.

[Rythrenous-proudmoore]

M+ is correct.

It’s the raids that are wrong.

[Cinderpetal-stormrage]

And Blizzard obviously doesn’t care.

Season 4 is just about using us like guinea pigs to see if they can keep your addiction raging and your feet on the treadmill during end of expansion content droughts.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

Ok then I hope your feedback is listened to because I understand wanting to farm old content for stuff.

I don’t understand wanting to nerf other people’s chances at loot so they can farm the stuff they want.

[Smoothbrain-azjolnerub]

@Cinderpetal-stormrage

I just don’t want to take things away from people who enjoy different stuff than me just to satiate my own insecurities, my own inferiority complex or just so they can suffer in the mud with me because the content I enjoy currently sucks.

For some reason mythic raiders dont understand that giving people more loot actually helps them. If they lose someone, or if someone needs to step in they have a huge list of people who are equally geared to come in and assist.

I remember doing progression was horrible because we would have to regear people constantly to fill in.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Terranox-stonemaul

I don’t understand wanting to nerf other people’s chances at loot so they can farm the stuff they want.

Please read the thread, people… honestly…

[Anxxy-area-52]

removing loot is never a positive solution to anything, for anyone involved.

[Cinderpetal-stormrage]

People are.

Just because people are disagreeing with how you’re portraying yourself doesn’t mean they’re wrong or ignorant.

[Argadar-kaelthas]

@Terranox-stonemaul

So you just want to nerf others enjoyment? Instead of addressing the issue you want? More gear to drop? Why not just ask for that.

Probably because the M+ crowd were the ones complaining in BFA about too much gear in the game and “welfare” epics which led us to the SL gear drought. But now it’s “ why nerf other’s fun”

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

Mythic plus gear helps fill in slots for me to solo stuff. And is less of a head ache then raiding. I do miss my solo progression modes giving loot, but that horse is dead already.

I don’t understand why do fated raid stuff unless you want the title/achievements…
When dragonflight is going to reset gear for everyone.

[Brewa-hyjal]

I’m not even sure where the “people complained there was too much gear” meme even came from. It gets parroted around on this forum a lot, but nobody’s ever been able to produce an original source.

[Våld-area-52]

@Murdercarpet-zuljin

Really? Everyone was fine with people with honor gear having to farm a set of PvE gear if they wanted to do PvE after they nerfed honor gear to the point where no one could ever get into a group using it.

They’ve always stated they want to reward those doing multiple forms of content.

You don’t sound fine with it though, so thanks for proving my point.

[Allolria-khazgoroth]

@Terranox-stonemaul

I don’t understand wanting to nerf other people’s chances at loot so they can farm the stuff they want.

I don’t think I should be given a mythic raid ilvl piece of loot for killing heroic guardian, and I don’t think I should be given a mythic ilvl piece of loot for failing to time (or even timing) a 15 key.

It’s about difficulty, and at the moment M+ rewards are too good for the difficulty. They also don’t scale past 15, which they should do.

Mythic ilvl loot should start at a minimum of a timed 20. It’s about the difficulty and challenge vs rewards.

[Cinderpetal-stormrage]

And I’m pretty sure we were complaining about too much meaningless gear drops and too much rng gambling between azerite traits and corruptions.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Terranox-stonemaul

I don’t understand why do fated raid stuff unless you want the title/achievements…

Because Jailer & Sylvanas are Fated (with higher health/damage) 1/3 of the time, and soon 100% of the time, so you have to re-gear (with Fated gear) in order to beat the same boss you could beat last month without Fated gear.

Clear?

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

I blame elitists for that. I did love BFA for it’s solo progression systems. Sadly people got them to nerf solo progression ilvl rewards. And I just started doing mythic plus.

If blizzard nerfs mythic plus and continues to ignore solo progression I might just leave lol.
Only real thing I am excited for in Dragonflight is the new class, bunch of new cosmetics to farm, and soloing mythic bfa raids for the transmog I been wanting.

[Cinderpetal-stormrage]

Ok, that’s nice. That’s your opinion.

You’re free to delete that item from your bags if you feel you, personally, don’t deserve it.