Itemization in WoW Classic

It’ll be Aug/sept, they said summer and they won’t miss that.

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I’m sorry that you need a macro to play specs with very little rotational abilities.

Maybe you should just play warlock, all they did in raid was have one put up curse and then shadowbolt because “lol debufflimit”

The argument has nothing to do with me or anybody’s skill. The argument is you saying the modern API is the biggest issue. it’s not. The previous vanilla API was way more powerful, that’s why they got rid of it.

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One can dream

Weakauras is a million times more useful then “skill rotation macros” especially since rotations weren’t exactly rocket science.

True for the first half of Vanilla, then the tables turn and Casters are FAR more powerful than melee in AQ/Naxx

Again, this just shows how little you know what you are talking about. But continue to think what you are thinking.

Considering that I raided up through about half of Naxx and never needed such a thing it’s not as powerful and needed as you claim it to be

but keep using it as your crutch.

The attempts to rewrite it maybe not. But it’s clear they don’t have the data they would need to do it accurately.

“can never be fully recaptured”

Lol it’s not “my” crutch, again you keep refering to “me” as if I am the one person who needs it. You want to compare Modern API and say it’s the biggest issue. It’s just simply not. We’re having two different discussions. You want to have a skill discussion only after trying to have a technical discussion that is false. While I’m having a merely technical discussion, not veering off topic to a skills discussion.

That won’t stop discussions from happening. Even on this thread it has happened by the same folks.

And I say current addons make raiding much easier, specially classic raiding.

Decursive still has 90% of the functionality.

Healbot got hit hard but still suggests the rank you should use.

And no one even needs a 1 button rotation when weakauras can tell you exactly what button to press anyway. And if that’s too much, then there’s one button specs in the game.

That’s just plain wrong, its not a lack of data preventing them from doing it. I mean they even detail the changes to Helm of Wrath in the post. They clearly have the data. They’re not doing it for the reasons stated.

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I have to say that I feel this is incongruent with the the proposed plan for phases.

Because WoW (vanilla) was a work in progress, many items are/were added much later that filled the gaps in what you are calling “progressive itemization” which helped to smooth out the large jumps in gear between tiers/content.

ZG being a prime example dropping inferior gear to MC, but being released AFTER MC.

1.12 makes sense. I agree 100%. Your arbitrary “phasing” which is faking content release for the supposed benefit of an “authentic experience” (LOL faking for authenticity… oh the irony) is a REALLY poor choice, the more you talk about it, the more the holes in that logic show.

The phasing satisfies a relatively small portion of the veteran WoW crowd. That portion being those that actually played at launch, rather than those that got into WoW AFTER a lot of the itemization issues and 1-60 experience had already been addressed.

This is also why there are so many discrepancies with the experience, some people don’t remember having to grind out any levels because more content had been added to the 1-60 experience much later in the development cycle of vanilla. I spent very little time in ZG on my main because I already had better gear. For my fresh rogue and shaman though, having ZG available between dungeons and MC made progression so much easier.

Blizzard time and time again has disregarded seemingly overwhelming feedback and dismissing the vocal minority. In this case those that want this “fake progression” (the ones you are catering to) are that vocal minority. I think while tiered progression is fine, in regards to the 1-60 or pre-raiding experience, you need to look at what the original developers would have intended had any of this content been available at launch. Things like BGs, and their quartermasters.

Things like the SS and TM evolved from the absence of content, convenience, and the proximity to major city hubs, as well as the proximity of opposing enemy strongholds. So while some people may remember that fondly, some of us don’t care. I loved vanilla, I loved glass cannon specs, I’m looking forward to that again. I would prefer an experience to the experience I had on my alts, and NOT the experience I had on my main (which was dealing with broken and incomplete content) you wanting to “fake” that feels like a slap in the face.

Honestly, if you keep to your current plan. I’ll probably leisurely level 2 or 3 characters and wait to hit higher level content during a later phase. This plan, is dumb. I’m sorry. But it’s dumb.

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Thanks for the update however I really hope you guys change your mind.

The problem with using the 1.12 version of items is that items were changed and some are even BiS from Molten Core all the way to Naxx meaning once you get Bonereaver’s Edge it will stay in that slot for 5 phases of content when that wasn’t the case from 2004 to 2006.

Progressive Itemization is really important, please consider doing at least a couple re-itemizations during Classic. We aren’t asking you to change an Item on day 150 of Classic that was changed on day 150 of WoW back in 2005. We just want for some changes to the gear to happen as we progress through Classic all the way to its conclusion in phase 6.

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Well im out, ill be back for world of starcraft. lemme know.

I could tank a raid pushing one button. The second I lose threat, SuperMacro, depending on how good I script my warrior can make an intelligent decision on whether to Taunt, Mocking Blow, or just ignore it, instantainously. Weak Aura’s can’t do this. And I can only do this because of the Vanilla API.

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thanks for the comprehensive explanation! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

But that regen though! REEEE!

They don’t have all the data for all the items, primarily the database only information that was never public, like ICD and Proc rates. One of the reasons stated is they “can’t”.