Its funny to me just how many Horde players are getting their panties in a twist over how ‘broken’ War Mode is now that they arent the only ones reaping the benefits.
Cant wait until it goes back to 30% next week so I can laugh at them some more.
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Both sides are equally as childish when it comes to this warmode garbage.
However alliance are significantly more petty, and act like they deserve their reward for non-participation.
Like seriously, who rewards non-participation.
Never turning warmode on, but this is just dumb.
We dont deserve a reward for participating, we deserve the chance to participate.
Blizzard gave the Horde every advantage heading into War Mode. You had better racials for PvE and PvP for the entirety of Legion and the back end of WoD - And you still do. Every player who was serious about being the most effective at either aspect of the game already played Horde. People who didnt care too much about min-maxing stayed with Alliance.
This meant that the cream of the crop had already gravitated to the Horde side looooong before BFA launched. By the time War Mode was a thing, the vast majority of the best PvPers and the players who liked to PvP were all gathered on one faction.
This is not speculation. This is what happened. For proof, look at the top Arena and Raid teams. They are overwhelmingly Horde going back years.
So no, we dont ‘deserve’ a reward. We deserve a chance to go into War Mode without being chased by entire raid groups worth of Horde across entire zones.
I have absolutely zero sympathy for the faction who pretended that everything about War Mode was fine and balanced, and whenever any Alliance player mentioned how frustrating it was being outnumbered ten to one wherever they went, they’d lean back in their chair, puff on their pipe and laugh “Just make a group, noob”. The faction who claimed everything was working exactly as intended right up until the moment that they weren’t winning anymore doesnt get to complain about imbalances, because you sure as all hell didn’t care before 8.1
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Sucks to suck then.
Because there are plenty of alliance holding their own and doing whatever they want to do in Warmode, even when alliance refused to participate and whined about it.
I’ve never turned on warmode, it’s not worth the hassle, but blizzard trying to balance for world PvP is stupid.
And I still don’t think alliance remotely earned those rewards by refusing to participate.
For you to stand a chance you actually have to try first. Alliance did’t until blizzard dropped huge amounts of incentives. Then they started prancing around acting like they earned it all for refusing to join in.
I have zero sympathy for people that refuse to participate, then get rewarded to try to bribe them into participating, then cry when it’s taken away.
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Wow, sure sounds like the Horde right now.
“I cant get my free 10% stuff in War Mode anymore because the Alliance is actually fighting back for once!”
And again, we didnt earn it. But then again, Horde players didnt ‘earn’ having all the best players move to their faction so they they dominated War Mode, either. So I’m fine with it.
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I’ve never been a part of Warmode, so your wrong on that regard.
Your faction is still full of people that got rewarded for non-participation. Who are now throwing hissy fits because their almighty advantage is being taken away now that the numbers are more equal, due to a factor of alliance actually joining, and horde getting fed up with all the bonuses alliance get for non-participation and turn it off themselves.
You are demonstrably wrong. “There are plenty of alliance holding there own…” is all blah blah. The vast majority of alliance players experienced only massive imbalance in numbers and were literally incapable of completing world content in warmode. Those very few who did were in pre-made raid groups. This is not something that should HAVE to be done for the game to function, as the horde have now learned by being camped at their flight points.
Any and every argument leveled toward the alliance can be equally applied to the horde who turned off warmode last week. The motivation is exactly the same; the risk:reward ratio has changed in a way that makes it not worth your time. The horde are absolutely no different than the alliance, but the alliance is much less represented and thus needs a much higher average reward to be worth the statistically higher risk.
You can make the argument that nobody should receive any reward at all, and I’d be ok with that. Numbers would pseudo-balance themselves as horde got bored with having nobody to kill, and alliance casually try it again to see if anything changes.
You cannot make the argument that it’s ok with 10% to both sides, because both sides are simply not equal. Whatever the system in place, it must respond to the current representation between factions, or it becomes a free bonus for the over-represented faction.
The way they decided to change it with aoo wasn’t a good choice, but it was better than doing nothing. It should scale dynamically depending on the current representation in your current shard. If you’re in a 1:1 shard, both sides get 10% more. If you’re in a 1:2 shard, you get 30%, they get 10%. If you’re in a 1:3 shard, you get 50%, they get 10%. Etc etc.
Against overwhelming odds was a bad choice, but it wasn’t the worst choice they could have made. They could have left it as it was, and let horde passively get 10% more everything for the rest of the expansion.
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Our faction is full of people who have been denied the opportunity to partake in WPvP because of Blizzard’s awful balance decisions, and now that we actually get to be the dominant force in WPvP for a week, Horde players threw a fit and got their tears wiped away by Blizzard so the mean old Alliance wouldnt hurt them anymore.
It isnt a crime that Alliance are happy that we can actually win a fight out in the world now. A reward for going out and taking the fight to the dominant faction may not be the best solution, but barring Blizzard nerfing every Horde racial into the ground and buffing Alliance ones so that PvPers come back to the old Gold and Blue, its the best you’re going to get.
If the Horde has a problem with Alliance kicking their teeth in for once, they can ‘Just make a group, noob’.
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Sounds a whole lot like people just not turning it on, Because the divide is pretty small if blizzards being accurate about the sliding scale nature of that buff to Warmode.
Maybe if alliance actually dropped the defeatist attitude, and actually turned on warmode and participated then this wouldn’t have been a problem to begin with.
But nah, blame all your problems on someone else. That’s what gets you the free stuff.
I think a solution to this whole fiasco is to bring a pvp vendor back, and make the reward on both sides honor points with which to buy gear, pets, t-mog, mounts, etc.
As for the balancing issue, I think they could make each region within the world work the way the old Wintergrasp pvp worked, with sharding, where if there were less people on one side, they got additional buffs to help them kill or defend against the opposing force.
What part of “I hate wpvp and am not interested” being the prevalent mindset of alli don’t you understand?
It’s not defeatist. It has nothing to do with being outnumbered or unfair in 99% of alli cases. The few alli who do turn WM off for that reason are just people after “fair” competition, which WM will never bring. However, by-and-large, alli don’t like wpvp for the same reason someone doesn’t like the color green, or hates a specific style of clothing: they just don’t actually like it. The concept doesn’t appeal to them for whatever reason.
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Who says I have to be rated in the arena? D:
Why not implement a non war mode 80% experience and 355 cap penalty. Then lets see how alliance like being marginalized like horde have been for the last month. Whine all you want but you never deserved anything in the 1st place.
How does that make it a huge failure? Most people in this game dislike PvP.
Most of us in WM acually PvP unlike the Horde players. I was out in the world for an hour or two today to have some fun PvPing and out of all the people I killed only a single guy fought back. The rest of you run away at the first sight of danger, Warmode is infested with players that don’t PvP on both sides.
Most people don’t care for the gear, the only reason so many turned it on was that Blizzard was dumb and gave away heroic raid gear the first week of the raid. 385 gear is nothing average players that don’t do endgame content should have 385 by the end of the month and within two they should have plenty of 400 gear without raiding or doing M+.
The only advantage of the AOO gear is that you can gear up alts with less effort, not faster but simply with less effort. I would prefer if we gained more PvP rewards rather than gear, plus more quests for both factions.
Warmode is not a fail, the only problem with it was that Horde outnumbered Alliance by a large amount. Even then the only time that was a real issue was when there were shard issues that placed small numbers of Alliance into shards where they where outnumbered five to one if not worse. Ion himself confirmed this and it was the reason I turned WM off myself, What brought me back was when I found out they fixed this issue.
It was the same with the Horde player base. Not too many turned it on then when there was shard issues that screwed over the Alliance everyone turned it on to abuse the 10% bonus. Don’t act like your faction is different when we all know that’s not true.
Most people that care about PvP joined the Horde for the racial advantages over the years, it’s not surprising Alliance has a smaller % of players that enjoy PvP. Even more so when we know the number of PvP focused players in WoW are a minority, WoW is not a PvP focused game as much as some of us would love that.
I’m a fracking casual who only does M+ and I still DE’d both of the free “OP rewards” because I already had better gear for the slots RNG picked. People are really overblowing this out of proportion, and I blame Limit for it. Then again, that’s the same reason I don’t really care about the loot being there or not, it was just interesting to see other alliance start using WM, give horde a bit of a taste of their own poison.
400 gear was hardly worth it, 385 gear is not worth it at all.
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Fun of wpvp? What fun?
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Believe it or not, some people like the fight. I enjoy it. Is it annoying getting ganked by roaming raids. Yup. Can it be fun escaping them. Yup.
I don’t have WM on for the bonuses. 10% while it adds up over time is barely noticeable in the moment.
The fights I have had, however, are very noticeable. The ganking, getting ganked, dropping a class that thought it should easily drop me, all of thit…is indeed fun.
To a lot of us.
I can understand that. I enjoyed wpvp in Warhammer online back in the day but they had mechanics in place to prevent ganking in lowbie zones and flight path camping which I guess has completely soured my view on WoW wpvp
I get where you are coming from. Depending on my mood, I will kill a lowbie.
Not to camp, but just to Remo d them of the danger. As for flight paths it is a valid tactic. Insanely annoying yes. However, then again is the fun of the escape.
The fun is there if people want it to be is all I am saying.