There have been plenty of games. Plenty. Players just don’t feel the need to post stuff like this on the relevant forums.
WoW hasn’t been king since FFXIV started going neck and neck with it. Even GW2 has started to surge back into contention.
Elder Scrolls too, maybe? Not sure, but I understand it’s also very popular.
totally agree
You mean like how New World did? Or FF before it? Or how the new Riot MMO is going to be bigger than WoW? The list goes on and on and on and on and on. So we’ll see you back here in what, 3 months?
Telling you now, there will never be another WoW in the history of current gaming, not until the next big thing drops and the first gaming company gets it right.
Name one. I guarantee you there has never been a game as big as WoW, even FF was never as big, not even close and currently well off the mark. Even FF players will admit FF has it’s issues outside of completing new patch content.
I don’t care about FF14 or the supposed rivalry people here like to make, but this is a really dumb take.
I mean WoW has right now one of the biggest community events with the World to Race First while FF14 has nothing big going on right now.
As i said, really dumb take.
i never left 
i get 2 good days on wow and the rest is filled with the more fun game even if LA dies tomorrow wow still only covers 2 days.
League.
Dang, that was easy lol.
Let me know if you would like another.
I’m not sure if you’re misinformed or you simply choose to wear WoW brand horse blinders.
FFXIV is easily as big as WoW, and has, as I said, been neck and neck in terms of popularity for ages - notably, since Shadowbringers dropped.
Also, the issues that FF has outside of patch content? Uh, WoW has them too. How long was there between Castle Nathria and SoD?
There is nothing dumb about it. Race to World First? Yay. You do you. FFXIV doesn’t do stuff like RWF because it doesn’t need to. It’s that simple.
Turns out FFXIV does to RWF. There you go.
He shoots, he scores, etc.
They did do a RWF though lol.
Really? I haven’t played FFXIV for at least a year. Was this for Endwalker?
Yeah.
Echo got like 56 and I think Limit was somewhere in the 30’s.
I mean, we used to have a weakaura that was magically broken when people were saying it told you the active subscriber counts in BFA during 8.1.
Then the follow up to that we used to have a site called wowranks that used to track armory pages and filtered out anyone who wasn’t at least 51 and didn’t have a covenant. Basically tracking everyone actively engaging with Shadowlands. That site had about 1.9 million characters last I checked, then mysteriously Bellular and a few other prominent content creators make videos talking about it to mention WoW declining. Magically the armory API is tweaked and breaks the website entirely to the point it just shut down.
Square doesn’t publish their numbers, IDK what the other guy was on about. At most you’ll get things like “we have our newest high of concurrent players” without any actual numbers. However they also don’t really try to screw with any of the census sites or things that are being used to actively gauge the amount of players. Blizzard outright breaks anything that gets close to announcing current player counts they catch wind of.
Broke the Census addons entirely in WoD. Broke the weakaura in 8.1. Broke the armory scraper in 9.1. The fact they go out of their way to break these things is what’s really concerning to me. Usually if someone is deliberately trying to hide things, it makes you naturally assume whatever it is does not look good. Like when Blizzard was charged with shredding evidence under investigation. The public perception was “Whatever those documents held was more damning if made public than them being charged with shredding it and breaking the law.”
you mean 10 million or less?
No, pretty sure I said what I said.
Maybe when WotLK was current.
but it’s wrong.
care to show us all these metrics you’re considering?
Care to show yours?
you’re the only one who mentioned available metrics. i wish to see them.
In all honesty, I’m far more concerned with seeing your sources if you think this game has 10 million players like you implied above. Last time they even saw that number was WoD, and that was largely driven by people buying into the “We’re going back to our TBC roots” selling point as the game was going back to TBC style. They lost 5 million players 3 months after that little bait and switch. Should be a good idea how few people they have left.
I mentioned a rough figure, you’re the only one giving specifics.
so you admit you made up numbers to smear the game out of spite because your MMO is dying and WoW is still king? why are you so full of hate, man? it’s not healthy.