Blizzard really need to look in to this. Waiting hour + to get in a group is no fun. It getting to the point that either you start considering buying carries or you just give up on the game
At least stop downgrading keys, to make ppl less picky
At least no, just stop downgrading. That is the main reason ppl are so picky and queues so long.
Atm it is a complete awful experience try to play a M+
The real issue is the dead zone between 10-13 where you can’t find decent tanks or healers because they’re all running 14’s and above.
Push your own key to 14-15 invite good players to them. There are tons of good players who want to do 14-15’s. You should have no problem timing keys if you make a good group.
Just get a 14 and 15 key and you’re golden. Also roll horde if you want to run keys. Alliance have so few groups by comparison. And their player pool for keys is sub par.
Seen allot of these posts and as I normally do things with guild/friends I never see the pug world so decided to test the waters. Got into 14s no issue prob 5 mins wait and timed em aswell no hassles. Not seeing a problem or hours wait at all
Says the FOTM. I bet fire mages wont have a problem too, On the other hand Im queued since I made the post and nothing
Fotm at launch perhaps but have not been so a for a while now have you looked at the charts recently? But ok will log onto my rogue and see how long it takes to get into a 14
2 mins later in a 14 dos on rogue. Yup hours wait 
Yep same here and I’m a tank. I cannot get into 15s for the life of me. I got accepted twice this week to 15+ … the whole week ! Lol
Your only 215 ilvl which is low for a 15 where the avg that ques is 220 plus when I make a group set the ilvl as high as I can and get pages still quite easy to find 220 ilvl players with good io esp as a tank the core of the group you want the best you can get.
Your io is only 1180 which is low for 15s where really 1300 is what people are looking for as a min for tanks again the core of a group.
Your best sd timed is only a plus 8. You should time at least a 14 on there to get a world tour before expecting to get into 15s commonly even with multi 15s not having a world tour of the level below timed hurts you a lot.
Your further a pally tank so not as wanted.
As a 218 pally tank with over 1300 io I get invited near instantly to anything at the 14 level and about half the groups I apply to at the 15 level.
The 15 level as a tank you are completing vs people going for ksm so unless you are only 1 or 2 runs of ksm or have ksm you won’t get a invite commonly as a tank as such 1300 io. Having a 8 as your best times for one instance is a massive flag saying don’t take me.
When pugging it has nothing at all to do with what is needed for a run but the other players that sign up as such for tanks since it’s easy to get a dh or a pally (most wanted to tanks with dh leading by a good number) with ksm or near ksm unless you are also at that level you best be using your key to get to around that level first at a bare min 1250.
For dps people are more willing to risk taking a iffy dps as not as core to the group but still it’s based on what your on, meta classes that are good norm have ksm by now so not as many que, so it’s quite possible to get groups in a reasonable time as off meta dps assuming you have done the min or getting your 220 ilvl and 1250 io starting with your own keys.
Blizzard dosent need to address this at all this is something that is human nature and always will be that way people will always take the best they can get as such so long as there is others wanting that key better than you they will be taken first raise your score or make your own key to get groups simple as that. After making your own key once or twice you will see just how many people sign up and why you don’t get invited and why making your own key is that easy.
In addition to it normally being extra hard to get groups in that bracket because everyone’s trying to get up to KSM, the GV requirements are just flooding the bracket with everyone trying to get 10 14s done.
Knocking down the GV to fill up at like, three key runs would certainly help.
Sorry but you pick me apart for no reason. I have timed every 14 except for one and a 15 but my io isn’t high enough? Gimme a break man.
And I timed a 15 and I completed a 16 and timed it at 14.
Your only timed SD was +8 … ok I’ll give u that but I have no loot from the place I ever wanted. I have been working on that all week. The only groups that give me a chance are well below my score. So the fact that I have cleared a 15 means I shouldn’t be able to? Rofl just a joke man. Look at my parses they’re all good.
1300 is not achievable without being given a chance.
Anyways I cannot time a SD because I’m stuck with the only groups giving me a chance not pumping enough dps to time the gauntlet.
Have I made some mistakes on some keys sure!
But my route is down solid. I cannot do everything as one person.
215 ilvl is too low? That’s a lie. It drops 210! Your freaking 3 ilvls above m.e and I plugged my score up with 0 group help so please take your elitist unwarranted attitude somewhere else.
Major red flag your attitude bro
1300 not being achievable without giving a chance is outright untrue. Use your own keys like I and basicly everyone else did to get the first 4-6 keys than pug the last 2-4 proving yourself with your own key to risk.
None of your other points matter at all. If your not going to go out in the effort to get the world tour of 14s to prove yourself why should someone risk there key on you where there is quite a number of player who have also queong.
Your ilvl is low what it drops and what you think is required means nothing at all. All the matters is the others that que and yes 215 is low vs the other tanks queing. Like me on 3 different tanks at 220 ilvl.
If your not going to go prove yourself in your own keys first why should someone risk there key.
Fact is it’s dosent matter at all why you think you can do it dosent matter at all what the run requires. The only thing that matters is how you compaire vs others that que. nothing blizzard dose other than making groups for you will ever change this. Human nature will always make people that the best esp for something as core as a tank.
Go do your homework first and prove yourself before expecting others to take a risk on you when there is other proven players already queing. Esp sd the run you don’t have timed is the one run above all that can be used to prove yourself as it’s considered the hardest key. If you don’t bother to get that key it’s a massive flag that your likly not worth the risk as you can only time the “easy” stuff.
Fact is by a simple look at you I would not take you to a 15 with only one 15 timed one run at only 8 and your 14 runs only single chest so not even that impressive. It takes about the same dps/pulls to 2 chest a 14 as to do a 15 so only seeing single chest 14s and wanting to do 15s is not impressive as a tank. When others much better than you are queing for what is the most important slot in keys.
I have world toured 14s except for 1! You are just flat out wrong man.
Much better then me? Lol they dps too? Your not even much better then me! Hahahaha what a joke man you really need to look at yourself your not some world record breaker! Hahahahahahah
Yes expect for one that makes what I said complete correctly you are missing one go put in that effort.
You can claim I’m not much better than you all you want and that’s fine if you think that and it may be true.
But what matters is I get groups your here complaining that you don’t.
You know the difference I put in the effort and proves I can do it. You have not. This makes me much better than you in what matters the applications stage.
Which makes exactly what I said correct you not having your world tour 14s by missing one is you missing the most basic of requirements for 15s by most players def. while having a low ilvl vs the other options while not even bothering to get the first few 15s with your keys.
I know what I’m saying is completely correct as unlike you I have gone through the effort and did exactly what I said to get my basics done and now get groups often unlike you.
Lol i haven’t put in effort? I haven’t run my own keys? You don’t even know what your talking about man. I haven’t put in effort but I have timed 30 something runs at 5-10 and another 30 something at 10 to 14… hahahah no effort. Man your just a sad troll.
You are the problem with the community. People like you.
Putting in effort and failing is different than putting in the effort being successful.
If you have done that many keys and still have the io you have lacking 15s that is a clear red flag to groups that can be seen.
Also I know exactly how many runs you did and exactly how many you timed vs completed (it’s not good esp looking at sds).This is all tracked on rio which I did look at yours.
Your times are not impressive with your 14s only being 1 chest not 2 often being close calls. This shows you are lacking in route or pull size to get that 2 chest which would be the same dps requirement as a 15. The diff between a 1 chest 15 and a 2 chest 14 is vary small.
You doing a ton of easy 14s dosent show your are good or done your homework you haven’t if you have you would have the world tour not a quite large number of failed sds.
If you put in the effort at the 15 level not the 15 level you would have used some of your keys and done them. You having 30 10-14 clears mean little if you never used your key to get a 15 to start getting effort at the 15 level.
You can claim I’m the problem all you want but fact is what I am saying is completely human nature and in fact vary correct. People are programmed to not shoot themselves in the foot. Taking you when there is better options is doing exactly that. That’s not blizzard or anyone else ruining the community that’s the community being human and doing what’s best for them. They owe you nothing they only are looking out for number one this is common sense.
Lol at the full paragraph of verbal vomit to try and justify your un earned condescending attitude. Get a life bro.
See if you have offered your input without trying to demean others to give yourself some feeling of value because you hate yourself - it goes over better.
Life tip kid.
I have a life and I can get groups it’s called using time effectivly unlike you bashing your head on a wall and not being able to comprehend why your not progressing. If you where able to read would know exactly how to progress and quite easy at that.
But do keep failing you not progressing is fine nothing wrong with the system stoping players like you that don’t want to do the work is exactly the system working.
I dint demean you at all in the first posts I pointed out why you are failing that is not demeaning you that is only the facts simple as that you not being able to handle the truth is a issue with you.
Wow trollsky you know so much about me!!! Man how did I make it this far without doing any work?
Man what a epiphany you just made me have!
Wow you really are insightful!! Keep deriving your self esteem from a video game kid!
Never once said you dint do any work you really need to learn to read.
Said you haven’t put in any effort towards the level in question in this case 15. That is vastly different than not putting in effort at the 10-14 level. From the first post I mentioned your 1180 io which is pointing out your work but also pointed out it being vary lacking in effort for the 15 level. That is no different than a high schooler going to nasa and wanting to jump on the rocket to the moon. You made a start by doing the close to the min but have not made the effort to prove yourself beyond the min.