They have been the most represented class in arena for so long, i cannot remember when they were bad.
I am only asking to nerf rogue for one reason: so other melee at the bottom can move up just a little. I am not calling for a total dump of the class - just a little tuning.
I know WW and DKs are good, but some more diversity is good.
They just need more counters rather than nerfs. To many specs lost abilities while rogues lost nothing.
i am 100% ok with this. I am not trying to call for nerfs to destroy the class…just some tuning so other classes can compete.
nerf rogues all u want because nobody is playing rogue in the tourneys anyways. its hardly an OP class when u compare it to warlocks who have 6 CC and hit for 80k+ insta damage from range.
Rogues aren’t what’s oppressing other melee tbh. It’s warlocks, WWs, and DKs.
For sure.
Like hunters used to be a pretty natural counter for rogues with flair and hunter’s mark. then hunter’s mark was no longer baseline for the 3 specs and some dots were removed as well. Small stuff like that has had a big effect. Overall low rep for hunters has hurt as well.
Sames goes for feral. Ferals have traditionally done very well against rogues. Faire fire and bleeds never allowed rogues to get away or reset. Well, ferals are almost non-existent right now.
Rogues could be easily put in their place if a few specs got buffed. 
They’re not overpowered, just incredibly stupid to play against. So when you lose to a Rogue it feels terrible because he basically didn’t let either you or a teammate actually play the game.
Even if they were objectively the worst class in the game I would still hate playing against them because of how much lockdown they have.
I remember one, maybe two patches since Vanilla when Rogues were not a top tier melee class.
The nanosecond they fall off their perch Rogue players howl furiously and the dev team almost always gives them what they want.
The justification is usually that Rogues are a very low % played class, probably because they’re exceedingly boring to PvE with. Same applies to Warlocks essentially.
Amazing how much more skillful most players become in PvP the moment they re-roll Rogue isn’t it?
Dear god PLEASE STOP SAYING NERF ROGUE. I say this because blizzard will nerf sub and outlaw along with sin
please do say nerf assassin if you want but sub and outlaw really need buffs/reworks in some way as they aren’t viable at all
Meh. I’m obviously biased but I would rather they buff a few other specs that can act as checks or counters rather than nerf rogue if you’re worried about rogues being overrepresented.
If you’re insistent on nerfing rogues, what aspect about rogues specifically is overpowered that you would like to see changed?
nerf them! nerf them to deeeaaaath!
Still not seeing the reason to nerf rogue…really…they’re not that overpowered. In fact, I’d say they’re probably the most balanced class in game right now. The only reason they’re represented so highly is because RMX is so good and warlocks are running wild and rogues actually pack the gear to deal with warlocks currently, unlike alot of other melee. Trust me, rogues are far from the problem in this meta. The problem in this meta is casters are too tanky and alot of physical damage specs are underperforming as a result. Of course it doesn’t help that druid healing is so ridiculous that they can top somebody in a global or two.
As was said before, I think people are just frustrated by the amount of control and lockdown rogues have, which they’ve always had, rather than them actually being OP. They could be nerfed to hell and still be a pain to deal with.
Locks, WWs, and DKs are the issue in this meta, not rogues.
It’s the one of the 3 lowest played classes as is … nerfing them will kill them off . Shamans are the same . I always wonder why ppl ask for nerfs for the least played classes .
Bunch of idiots in this thread. Sin needs a nerf but saying all rogues in general is down right irresponsible and stupid.
Rogues aren’t OP, they’re just annoying like previously stated. Assassin is only bursty to clothies, and even then it’s easily countered since everyone has a shield now a days. To everything else they’re barely a threat. Outlaw can hit like a truck, but revolves around too much rng for strong and consistent damage. And sub is laughable and desperately needs a buff.
its always funny when u see one super op class calling a medicore class OP.
in this case a mage who can literally stand 40 yards away and do 90% of some1s hp in a single global is saying that rogues are OP.
its great man i love these forums
Assassin needs Fan of Knives spam nerfed big time. Also single target needs to be brought down slightly during their burst windows (kidneys). They can 100-0 in a single kidneys.
Both sub and outlaw needs buffs. Sub rogues “bleed” needs to not be able to removed by cloak and cloak like abilities.
Rogues are well represented in the tourney. RMX, Rogue Lock, RPX are all good comps. 3rd most represent melee in tourney next to WW and DK. You will likely see more at the LAN with addition of addons which is really good for setup comps. And all of their representation is assassination.
Let me change that,
Rouge should never have high dps with how much utility it has…all 3 of its specs have too much utility compared to other melee. You get 1 or the other or a balanced mix. Can’t be good at both
You mean like how UHDK has literally everything?
Fan spec is literally only good in RLX comps, the reason being that the entire enemy team stacks on a pillar to avoid the warlock, which allows the rogue to land big FoKs on all targets, makes it easier for the rogue to spread bleeds and poisons which in turn generates more energy for the rogue which means more damage output. That is the ONLY way fan spec is good. And to 100-0 someone in a kidney takes alot of setting up and is usually avoidable. Chances are if you get 100-0’d in a kidney, you did something wrong.
Agreed.
What? RPX is awful, why do you think The Move didn’t make the LAN? RMX is good but why play that when there is DK/DH or WW/DK or any form of lock comp currently? And as far as I know only 1 or 2 teams played RLX and they weren’t exactly consistent. Granted I didn’t catch the tourney this past weekend, but I have seen more monks, DKs, and DHs than rogues. I highly doubt the addition of addons at the LAN will make a difference. Addons don’t make any class, spec, or player better or worse.
All this aside, the tournament realm has nothing to do with live.