It’s something that just doesn’t seem like it makes a lot of sense. Despite becoming the “Night Warrior”, the first time Tyrande actually goes to actually attack Sylvanas, Elune takes her powers away, and then reveals that she at the very least allowed the Night Elves to be slaughtered, perhaps even implying she may have had a hand in orchestrating it. And Elune also revealed she wasn’t even omnipotent, because she didn’t realize that all those souls were flowing directly into the Maw.
It’s just kind of strange that, knowing all of this, Tyrande would still hold Elune in such high regard. If anything, I’d have expected her to have been furious, maybe even outlawing the worship of Elune, vowing to find some way to take retribution upon Elune, one way or another.
I dunno. Just something that really sticks out.
It also might’ve been a stronger basis for the “split” between Tyrande and Malfurion, creating some conflict over their different viewpoints (Malfurion perhaps being more “understanding” of the situation, where Tyrande sees how their people suffered more).
I agree if this was real life Elune worship would probably go by the wayside(why worship something that at times has activity gone against you).
But since this is a video and that’s not the type of story they want to tell, Elune is still worshipped by the Night Evles.
10000+ years of her being a decent goddess and her helping make the seed for amidrassil keeps her in the nelf good graces i guess.
The SL stuff is weird, elune stop tyrande cause she’ll go crazy and be unsaveable if she does kill sylvanas and cant see that the souls didnt got to ardenweald until after we’re im there showing her. Once she knows she works to correct it by placing all the nelf souls we save in the seed(ardenweald is where 90% of the nelves would probably end up naturally if they didnt become whisps, its just the maw detour thats the real problem) but before that elunes got a decent record of blessing her followers with but not directly interfering.
Tyrande’s need for vengeance virtually drove her insane to the point where she almost destroyed herself. Elune (admittedly, with some help) brought her back from the brink and reminded her that she was the leader of her people and they needed her.
Pretty sure Tyrande appreciated that.
I mean, was she? Aside from a vague suggestion that she powers up night elf priests (and you can clearly get star powers without Elune so I don’t know how much that even matters) what has Elune done for the night elves in the past 10,000 years?
Except that didn’t happen and you’re willfully misinterpreting the story.
Shandris: It is good to see you whole again, Minn’do. I had feared you might be forever lost.
Tyrande: Ever since Darkshore, rage has swelled inside me. A tide under which I seemed destined to drown.
Tyrande: It was not until I heard Elune’s voice that I recognized the grief buried beneath my anger. Sorrow intertwined with a deep sense of betrayal. Shandris: When Teldrassil burned, I could not understand why the goddess did not intervene. Why she would allow so many to be lost. Shandris: But I did not know of Ardenweald. Of the duty and purpose that awaited the souls of our people. At least… before the Maw. Tyrande: Perhaps we can never truly know the ways of the gods, my daughter. But I believe Elune made a choice to aid her sister. Not to cause us sorrow.
Shandris: The Winter Queen face hard choices as well. She and Mother Moon are bound together in an eternal cycle. One of death and rebirth.
Tyrande: A cycle the Kaldorei must now rejoin. No more looking to the past. It is time to embrace our future.
Elune doesn’t directly interfere in the mortal wars, there was zero reason to believe a god would intervene in the burning of Teldrassil any more than a god would intervene in the bombing of Lordaeron. If that was something she would do, the question would instead be “why wouldn’t she have just wiped out the Horde when they invaded Ashenvale in Vanilla?”
But once the night elves die, they could become “hers”, and she forfeits those souls to her sister, not knowing that they won’t make it past Oribos.
Elune depowers Tyrande because by this point in the story, Elune has learned through the Night Warrior of the fate of the Kaldorei and the Winter Queen. Both Elune and Tyrande have a responsibility at this point that is more important than just revenge. It’s implied that the power required to kill Sylvanas would also kill the Night Warrior, which would remove their ability to pursue the more important cause.
It all seems pretty vague. I just don’t feel like Tyrande’s response to this knowledge seems super reasonable. If Tyrande was willing to sacrifice herself in order to have revenge on Sylvanas, it seems quite strange for Elune to chime-in and say “actually it was me, I let everyone die”, and Tyrande’s response is basically “oh okay then, that’s totally fine!”.
If anything, I would’ve thought Tyrande would’ve felt personally betrayed by Elune. She willingly allowed the Night Elven people to die.
I’m not necessarily saying that’s a better narrative or anything. I just don’t feel like I truly understand the character’s motivations or logic.
I don’t know to what extent Gods can meddle in the affairs of Azeroth, but first off what is a God in WoW? Are we talking about simple a diety that is worshipped, or are we talking pantheons of the cosmic forces?
In the latter case, Zovaal directly affected mortals on Azeroth through the Helm of Dominion and Dominion magic, Denathrius sent out the Nathrezim which have their hands all over the place.
Not to forget, before Elune leaves Tyrande’s body, when the Winter Queen asks Elune why she did not answer her cries for aid, Elune says she sent “a cascade of souls.”
That being said, if Sylvannas was being controlled, or at least directed by Zovaal to burn the tree, then how did Elune play a role in trying to send the Winter Queen souls?
It’s at least implied that powerful entities are able to control the fates of their followers’ souls. It’s how Bwonsamdi gets up to his shenanigans, at least. It had nothing to do with Sylvanas, other than her actions being what caused those souls to be released in the first place. Elune sent them to the Winter Queen so they could help build a new world tree.
It doesn’t make sense that the Night Elves still follow Tyrande. She abandoned us when we needed her most. Then decides she has had her fill of vengeance, denying us ours.
On top of that she gives away our birth right to the dragons and then expects us to serve them like she does.
It really is best to try and think of Shadowlands never happening. Really. Ignore all the reminders in the game, and try and prune it from your memory.
Everything will be ever so slightly better if we do so. (speaking Lore wise)
For the record, I’m totally okay if the answer is simply “Tyrande is a zealot”. Similarly, I’m okay with Tyrande making choices that other Night Elves don’t agree with.
Like I said, it mostly just seems… odd. She’s operating with all the same knowledge that we have, and by all accounts, she’s typically been fairly no-nonsense when it comes to protecting her people at any cost.
There is a very clear, definitive line between “Elune” and “the Night Elves”, and it just seems strange that it hasn’t been addressed. Seemingly, Tyrande chose Elune, because she continues to worship her. But it seems more like the writers just didn’t really think about Elune’s dialogue, and the implications of it.
Unless the implication is that the souls of Elune’s followers are supposed to go somewhere else when they die, not Ardenweald? In which case, I think that needs to at least be referenced to give us some kind of context.
As it stands, it just winds up looking like Tyrande is totally okay with the entire Night Elf population dying, if it’s what Elune wants.