You’re good. I agree mana is def an issue. The problem is there isn’t any mail int gear worth stacking over bfd gear. There’s a rune that will give us essentially infinite mana next phase so that should help.
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Im sorry i killed u bro ill let u win next time
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Wow, one guy’s testimony killing a scuffed ret paladin is totally going to outweigh bubble / lay on hands / mail gear / actual buffs / unresistable damage
chill out aggrend
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Have you ever tried getting good at the game? Maybe that’s why you keep losing.
ret paladin
there’s your answer
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pally and shamans are just warrior supporters.
no you just specc your pally in the wrong talents, I take 10% str Holy Talents, and full PROT talents kill shammys just fine. Seal of Command and Ret Pally tree is TRASH
You are not doing any meaningful pvp as Ret without pursuit of justice sorry. If you feel confident post you character name/realm so I can look him up.
I’ve never heard of any Ret speccing into the 10% strength which is about 13-14 strength for me. That’s not better than 3% crit and SEAL OF COMMAND which is necessary for any Ret loll
Hunter stats? That entire set is designed purely for shaman. It actually kinda sucks for hunter.
Time to wear the dress in pvp, i’m ret too but holy Will be very good and since crusader strike, storm and exorcism are runes, holy Will have a very good damage, also consecration and holy shock.
But lets see how ret Will do, 2h enh is a beautifull spec but not our major problem, our problem as rets are starsurge druids, mages and elemental shaman, we Will never conect an auto attack vs casters with the insane damage they Will have in PVP while they Kite us, hard days and nights conming to ret in PVP My friend.
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The only time Shaman ever gets noticed by the nerf bat is when it’s accidently competitive with other classes of shock horror better than other classes.
Then the alliance warrior/paladin main notices it, and breaks glass for the nerf bat.
11/10 chances Shaman gonna get nerfed day 3.
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Source?
Logs show palandins well ahead of either shaman dps spec. This feels like a l2p issue.
Im dead reading this. You are autoing stone skin totem… why? Just kill the shaman. Stone skin totem is not reducing 2 hand players dps by that much. You would have to be parsing the shaman like a raid boss amount of HP for it to even remotely add up as a 2h player to waste a white swing on that totem.
The only issue is how tanky Shaman are thanks to the tank rune being used by DPS specs in PvP. They are harder to kill than tanks while doing great PvP damage. They are just walls in WSG when you add in the DR from being there + the helm.
People say Pally is a defensive class but Shaman currently has them beat by a long shot, no the 8s bubble does not compare to such high DR and crit reduction on top of 30% HP. With a shield(for ele) + the rune you have like 5-7% more DR than a Ret and the other bonuses that a shield gives, 30% more HP, and 6% crit reduction.
It’s kind of insane to give a class that much bulk with one rune without big drawbacks to the DPS specs. With the warlock rune they at least lose their fear and miss out on Haunt. Shaman just use an extra item with the CD on it so they swap out of combat, regen all their mana then swap back. It’s only going to get worse in P2 with Shaman becoming a huge threat on top of being the most tanky class at the same time.
For Ret Paladins in P2 PvP, unless the new runes make Exo hit hard enough to matter without making you go OOM I think the better play would be taking Sacred Shield over AoW for the extra bulk and healing that brings depending on how it will work. The Holy shock build is probably going to be better than Ret though and going by the data mined runes for later phases it will only get stronger.
You might be right tbh idk. I was dueling a good shaman on my realm from disc multiple times and he told me to fight shaman had to kill the stoneskin bc it’s just extremely effective against melee dps
It makes earth shock a melee ranged spell which is a major disadvantage when fighting casters. You also have to consider that shaman have no real defense other than eating damage. We can’t root, fear or blink like many other casters can. When a real melee class gets on us we just have to deal with it.
This post made me so happy. Paladin players deserve to suffer.
well atleast it keeps them from using their iconic windfury imbue mainhand next phase cutting down burst greatly due to reduction in MSW generation. IDK its good but mid. Just kite them. Its okay for a class to have a counter. Most shamans I know would love to have option in pvp and not be stuck on one rune or else be completely rolled due to 0 hard cc or immunities.
And even with that being the case… for some reason Shamans just aren’t invited to Premades to do anything other than Flag Carry. (Warsong exalted was the worst week of my WoW SoD experience, by far.)
It’s a mail/plate wearing class with bubble and LoH…
Fighting a ret is 3 fights in a row.
Beat them down to 20% where they bubble and heal themselves to full
Beat them down to 20% again where they LoH
Then Continue beating them down.
Shaman has 30% more health… but you only have to get that down once. Not twice. (Or 3 times if LoH is up…)
They are a defensive class.
Well according to the datamined stuff (which could change) ret isn’t looking good at all in phase 2. I’m going to be rerolling from mine until phase 3 at least.