Issues with the Paladin Order Hall

Since the topic of the Ashbringer have been somewhat revived recently, i went back to look at Legion and the paladin order hall and realized even more issues that i did not pay much attention before.

Firstly, it is important to explain why the Paladin Order Hall in Legion is a problem by essence, lets put it in a simple way…let say that, you have 3 religious groups, that basically pray the same God or Divine being, (Here its the Light) and you would say that, these religious groups would put all their issues with one another aside to team up, BUT they would team up the headquarter and use the symbol of ONE of the 3 groups ONLY to represent their union…how stupid and impossible do it sound to you ? Well, thats the pill the Paladin Order Hall try to make you swallow.

Secondly, the problem is with the nomination of the class itself, because yes, PALADIN in the LORE is a very specific thing : It is an Order of Holy Warriors that was created during the 2nd War by Human Kingdoms. It is SPEFICIALLY human, which means that none of the other races that can be Paladin in GAMEPLAY wont be called that IN LORE. And the problem is, that Blizzard when they came with the idea of the Order Halls, did not think enough or at all to make specific race to classe Order Hall.

Because yes, The Silver Hand, is NOT a Tauren thing, is it not a Zandalari thing, it is not a Draenei thing either, and even for the dwarves, it was actually never really explained how they came to that order. So here is the major issue of the Paladin Order Hall, if you play a human and do the campaign then its fine, but if if you play something else well…it just feels weird. The weirdest moment is when they push you Apony (the tauren sunwalker girl) with her silver hand tabard saying « for the silver hand » this to me was just weird…

Other than that the return of the Silver Hand itself was a complete « wait what ? » moment to me, it was always stated that the Silver Hand since Vanilla was dissolved into both the Argent Dawn and the Scarlet Crusade, then during Wrath Tirion came and made it into the Argent Crusade, so how the hell, did the Silver Hand magically came back ? And not only did it came back but also accepts races and faith that are not even related to their Order ? And the thing is, i see a lot of peoples complain on BFA saying « Ho but why the Silver Hand is not neutral anymore ? Why is Liadrin agaisnt Turalyon ? » And to these peoples i ask « Why was it neutral to begin with ? How did it even came back ?! » Because thats a Legion issues, not BFA’s so why people complain about BFA when it is not the root of the problem ?

Now, the 3rd point i want to talk about i the title of the leader of the Silver Hand itself, and by that i mean, the stupid « Highlord » title that they give the player in Legion ;, BECAUSE it was the title firstly of Alexandros Mograine, but then of Tirion Fordring…but the thing is, that title is stupid…why ? Well firstly its not a unique title because well, many peoples have it who are not even related to human culture…like some ogres have it, but also, it is not a title that really reflect the Light or the Silver Hand. It is even joked upon during the secret quest of the hidden Ashbringer apparence when Darion says to the players « You are not the only Highlord, Highlord, me too i am the Highlord ! » (real thing here)

And thats the thing here, the title of Highlord, is mainly related to one thing : Ashbringer, so not only, does the Order Hall, tells you « Play Human Palaidin » but also yell « PLAY RET PALLY !!! »

But, you know, there could have been a far better idea than this « Highlord » lazy one, yes, you know who was the leader of the Silver Hand do you ? It was one and only Uther Lightbringer (who by the way never held the title of Highlord which show how silly uing this title is for the player.), and what if, the title Lightbringer would be our title as leader of the Order Hall as an honour to its leader ?

Let me give you an historical example : Caesar was originally a name, related to the person Julius Caesar, later the name was taken by not only his nephew Augustus to make his ancestry to Julius apparent but also it was taken in honour of Julius Caesar AND Augustus by the 10 emperors that followed. Later, it became not a simple name, but a title in honour of the man. And if you did not know, this will later be used by other nations to become Kaesar in German and Tsar first by the Bulgars and then by the Russians.

Thus, it is very possible and cool in my opinion if we had the title Lightbringer instead of Highlord, and to put even more emphasis to this, let me remind you how is called the Tabard that the Silver Hand members use during Legion : Tabard of the Lightbringer !

In case you ask, the title of « The Lightbringer » do exist in game, but it was added in 7.3 so long after the Order Halla was added into the game.

4 Likes

Paladins and priests definitely got the short end of the stick with class halls/campaigns. It just kind of bulldozed right through the 2 classes that were meant to have the most individual race lore and homogenized them.

11 Likes

The simple answer is the Meta answer. Highlord was always a popular title because it was the title of the guy who killed Arthas and was the leader of the spiritual successor of Silver Hand(which effectively took back the name in Legion) the Argent Crusade.

Like, I think most people were probably happy to neutral with getting Highlord as the title. And yeah, Silver Hand was the META WISE first Paladin Order, hence defacto getting center stage in one of WoW’s expansion focused on the Legion.

1 Like

I love how Zerde reads the legitimate grievances and than immediately picks the wrong answer because he can’t fathom anything beyond

Alliance guud, humies da best, horde da worst. He legit can not fathom the other Paladin Orders getting any sort of attention in a expansion about the various Orders, whether Hunter, Pally, warrior, etc coming together to combat the legion

14 Likes

Or your grievances are in the grand scheme of things were minor and most people probably didnt care.

As it was Blizzard has stated before it took alot of effort to add the order halls(hence why I dont think we will see them again/or will be a very rare expansion we do) and there was a choice to be made with the paladin order hall.
Use a famous order hall, or make a new one that maybe able to have abit more variety but ultimately would be a wholely new concept.

They chose to focus on the first Paladin order hall made for Warcraft’s franchise and one most people probably know about.

1 Like

90% of WoWs playerbase can’t even tell you what happened in current content 5 minutes after doing it. These same people aren’t going to know or even care about something from 20+ years ago

6 Likes

My guy, most people would probably still know it if for no other reason then because they know Arthas, the fallen prince who also happens to have been a paladin of the Silver Hand.

So yeah, anyone who played Warcraft 3 or Wrath, two of Warcraft’s peak moments, would know the Silver Hand.

1 Like

Again, most people can’t tell you what happened in current content after just doing it. And you believe they’re smart enough to know lore from 20 yrs ago

2 Likes

I think so. Or more precisely Blizzard clearly thinks so considering Blizzard references things that happened decades ago in their quest with the assumption the most invested fans would know it(like say the human heritage acknowledging the Drakefire Amulet or the current Arathi questline remembering every two bit human bad guy organization)

1 Like

Blizzards lazy writing isn’t indicative of anything other than them being too lazy to include anything that isn’t human or orc

7 Likes

Blizzard’s writing is pretty obvious, rule of cool. And like it or not, the Silver Hand have always been one of the most famous and cool lore of Warcraft especially when it relates to paladins.

And remembering thing in the past actually takes effort. So no, referencing the past in unique ways is not “lazy”.

It’s lazy writing. Plain and simple. This isn’t warcraft from 20 yrs ago. People need to get off the nostalgia train. It’s destroying games and movies

4 Likes

No they don’t. You can have nostalgia while adding new things to the mix. You certainly need a balance but wholeheartly throwing away the past is not the right move either.

Dont get me started on the priest Order Hall, when you realize that Blizz had the great idea to at frist put it on alternate Dranoe, then they got the other great idea to put it literally in the NETHER, i mean, you know, literally IN THE DEMON DIMENSION?! Like the place which is full of demons? Who can literally attack at any moment? how dumb is this?

Draenei Vindicators were older than the Silver Hand Lorewise thought. And coming from a draenei player, having his culture literally eaten by the human paladins and being like “its fine” is just hilarious to see.

Because even the Draenei, well you know, Naaru all that jazz etc, well its not a thing in the Order Hall, you have Boros and thats it…

Oh and there is also big arugement that can be made about the Zandalari Prelate oroder being a looot older than the Silver Hand too.

But it was the title of many other characters so it was not even something special to Tirion or the Paladins…

7 Likes

And the draenei themes dominated the priest order hall. I would also point out us shaman had to use what was effectively a Horde organization turned neutral, the Earthen Ring as our order hall.

There was never going to be “fairness” in the order hall. Heck, the druid one was whole Night elven focused. The Mage one was a Dalaran focused organization

And? Like it or not they would not be as famous as the Silver Hand.

The silver hand isn’t even that famous. Something being old doesn’t make it famous. Just makes it old

And Liangi is right, if anyone should have been front and center in the Paladin order hall, it should have been the Vindicators. The guys who have way more experience with not only demons, but the holy light

7 Likes

The Hunter order hall is amazing tho!! I am glad Blizzard knew exactly where to put all their efforts!!

It even has a river for fishing!!!

5 Likes

The hall itself, yes. The order and the campaign, no.

5 Likes

Highmountain is beautiful and I will bear fight anyone who says otherwise.

So sayeth the wise and sometimes grumpy Karebear :wolf:

8 Likes

Th questline ends with the Army of Light sending draenei forces to help defeat Balnazzar.