The “war” between Alliance and Horde is about race, is it not?
Humans won’t work together with Orcs and Forsaken, and vice-versa. Because of what they did in the past, and what they currently are.
Humans and Elves hate the Trolls.
Kul’Tirans especially hate the Orcs.
Night Elves hate magical (all other) elves.
Everyone hates Vulpera.
Am I missing something? Isn’t that the foundation for this MMO?
Races not forgiving each other and thus entering an endless war? Is that not the premise of the entire franchise?
Idk, I just find all this stuff about curbing racism to be interesting, given the direction the company is going. And the removal of all terms “greenskin” and whatnot.
It seems at-odds with Warcraft as a whole.
It makes the whole Warcraft stuff less immersive, even if it was only fictional racism. They were/are removing stuff.
Can you still say knife-ear? Is it only about skin color? How far will this go?
Not trying to defend racism, as amazing as that may sound. But wondering what it means for Warcraft going forward, at least in terms of story.
Closer knit “Alliances” maybe? Where races aren’t seen as an issue? Idk
I see this new feature as individuals on both sides of the race war coming together of their own volition. I don’t think the hostilities are going away and I’d personally like to see what form WM can take in DF.
I think hate or race is the wrong way to look at it. Orcs live for war, its how they solve prblems even between each other. How all the races look at it, well not really sure.
If anything it is a battle for resources. Orcs invaded (before the lore was wrecked by this current dev team) because their planet was destroyed and they where starving.
The orc’s wanted to take azeroth for its resources. The Alliance are just protecting their gas rights on their home territory.
Yeah, to be fair, you’re basically missing everything.
No, race has almost nothing to do with it. Otherwise you wouldn’t see Orcs and Humans working together with the Twilights Hammer. You wouldn’t see Orcs and Dwarves working together to raise an Old God.
It’s all about factions, and the factions themselves aren’t bound by any one race specifically.
They are referred to as races.
But i think it’s just because it’s easier to comprehend.
They are a race onto themselves, but compared to the others, they are different species.
If you think Warcraft is about race war, you have a cursory and misguided view of the lore and likely no exposure to material outside of PvP and cherry picked quests in the MMO.
Few conflicts have implicitly been about race, and there are many more cases of differing races having worked together for mutual gain.
No, it’s all faction based. When the Alliance or Horde complains in game about the other faction, they don’t complain about Humans or Orcs, they complain about the Alliance or Horde.
There are Forsaken members of the Alliance. Thrall is friends with Alliance leaders. Race has nothing to do with this, it’s what faction you represent. Heck, there’s Blood Elves on the Alliance now and Night Elves with the Horde. How do they make sense with your theory?
I think you are correct, however I think WoW just does it differently.
Most MMORPGs I have played have racial factions and races that kill each other on sight, its just a thing and accepted as that.
WoW takes that to another level and specifically tries to incite those hatreds and makes it a lot worse.
In EQ I know the dwarves will go way out of their way to kill me as an ogre but I can group with dwarf PCs and no one cares. I can kill enough enemies of Kaladim and eventually be welcomed or just barely tolerate in the city. Or I could level killing the dwarven guards and get to the most hated I can be by NPCs.
There are no quests pitting ogres against dwarves or vice versa. No TV commercials showing how we need to kill each other. No PvP based on races (their PvP is a free for all)
I just think WoW’s whole premise of driving the hate between the factions is what makes this game “different”
I’ve always been intrigued by that and wondered if it could be implemented in WoW somehow. Perhaps with just npc factions, but obviously expanded beyond the offerings we’ve had from the reputation system in the past.
Edit: like becoming friendly with The Bloodsail Buccaneers, but there’s actual things you can do or items to obtain.
Honestly, most fantasy settings in a lot of games (D&D, Elder Scrolls, WoW, etc) all boil down to this idea of, essentially, “what is your flavor of racism?” Fantasy racism, for the record, isn’t a bad thing. Baldur’s Gate 3 does this really well if you play a drow.
Now can races overcome racism? Sure. The blood elves certainly have accepted that the Darkspear and Zandalari are not the Amani, as an example.
Can other races flare racism up through their actions? Sure. I’m surprised the Kaldorei haven’t displayed blatant racism toward the humans because of how Teldrassil went down.
But yeah. Most fantasy is about racism. Blizzard’s attempt at hiding it instead of using it for well written story is a problem narratively speaking.
i see nothing good from real world PC being applied to a fictional role playing game, if thats the casse then where do all the call of duty games go, its pretty hypocritical to apply some execs idea of PC nicety to a fictional world when the parent company markets real world conflicts as games. Warcraft was a about war , but the team in charge of Wow are using the poor RL behaviour of some of its ex employees to pervert the course of world of warcraft into some coop hell where we fight what? because based on the leanings of the team surely no conflcts are the aim, PvP with sponge pillows and nerf guns anyone?
