If not then what game is?
No idea. Google it? 
It is. But if wow keep getting worse and ffxiv keep getting better situation might eventually change.
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Since no one releases sub numbers anymore we don’t know. It is pretty universally accepted that WoW still is, at least in the west.
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With that said, would you play it still If it wasn’t?
Do you really think it is?
The definition of MMORPG has blurred a lot over the years. If you use a more traditional definition, I don’t think it ever was. Even at it’s peak, free to play mmorpgs have always had larger player counts. Is it the largest one with a monthly sub? Probably. If you use a more modern definition, Fortnite easily blows it away as well as many others.
It is, by everything we can tell, since they stopped announcing sub numbers. 14 has about 1 million active subscriptions, and we know that WoW’s sub count doubled when Classic came out. We never saw WoW get below 5.5 million AFAIK, but it got to around 5 mil after they quit reporting sub counts. It most likely dropped there. Legion, it would have went up, and BfA, I’m sure it’s plummeted.
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Last xpac of ffxiv disagrees with your statement.
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MMO != MMORPG.
I’m not sure 100 people in a match qualifies as “MMO” either, but if we’re willing to call Destiny an MMOFPS then yeah sure I guess.
As for the OP:
We’ll never know for sure ever again, but all signs point to yes. FFXIV is probably the closest competition, and as far as anyone knows they’re hovering around 1 million, and potentially not even that since it was never officially announced and IIRC the data players used to come to that figure was essentially armory scanning, which I imagine would include alts.
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I think it still it, but some MMOs are steadily improving and become more and more popular like FF and ESO wile WoW is slowly decreasing.
WoW was an anomaly. I mean, seriously, like 12x the subs of any other MMO ever, at it’s peak? Realistically WoW was always going to fall back down to earth, well-received expansions or not. It never did anything THAT crazy or amazing.
They all have RPG elements now. Next time read the post where I divide traditional and more modern definitions.
Nobody will have any real data so the discussion is pretty pointless.
lol yes it did
Its probably final fantasy and wow at the same level.
I’m not gonna lie I played ESO a little too much…
I mean not that you should but you wouldn’t really find games like ESO anywhere soon.
This I agree with, it was the perfect storm of what people wanted at the time. Just like Fortnight was more recently.
This is a little more debatable. What it did was take a genre that was extremely insular and closed off to the average gamer and made it completely accessible to everyone, even non-gamers. While that in itself isn’t crazy or really amazing, the effect it had on the genre as a whole was.
Having equipment slots isn’t really enough to consider something an RPG. And I hope you aren’t trying to say leveling the battlepass or whatever for vanity rewards is the same as leveling up a character.
It’s a gigantic stretch to try and consider something like Fortnite anything close to an RPG.
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Yet, for all intents and purposes, it is just that. Whether you like to consider it or not is irrelevant.