Is WoW still the #1 MMO?

what will people play in 20 years and why is it Minecraft?

I remember reading that in 1990 people thought that in a decade, most dominant video gamers would be Westwood and EA. in 2000 They thought it’d be Sierra and Blizzard. In 2010 I don’t remember. probably Zynga and Activision.

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MMOs are going down as battle royals and other genres rise up sadly.

We cant bunch up all versions of wow vs other MMOs and say “its still #1”. Its unfair.

There more people playing candy crush than retail.

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Farmville had 10 times WoW’s numbers.

Where is it now?

I’m sad Sierra died, because I grew up playing the Tribes shooters series, and I know the IP likely died with them.

The last one was in 2012, and, while fun, they just didn’t keep it alive with updates.

The disk-launcher, to me, is the most iconic weapon ever in a shooter, lol.

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BRs are genuinely dying. You are so old that BRs actually peaked 7 years ago.

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You’re saying that on the race that was designed to be adorable?

interestingly… Activision bought them.

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“The Sierra brand was revived by Activision in 2014 to re-release former Sierra games and some independently developed games.”

Hmm, there’s some hope yet.

Tribes was a good series too, the last game from 2012 had like 9/10 and 10/10 reviews.

Also, I didn’t know they were the original publishers of Half-Life, huh, TIL.

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Well thats one way to say “I don’t know anything about Vulpera and how they’re the closest thing to subverting fantasy tropes in years.”

I may not play one at the moment. I get them and their place in the horde. I did the story when it was current, unlocked them, got the heritage armor. I think they are a good race. They were still designed to be adorable to players and make the horde less “monstery.” Though blood elves made that less of an issue for them.

Kind of like the mole race now. The main purpose of them is to be cute to the player base. They do it every expansion. They pick a race in the expansion to be cute. It just so happened they made one a playable race.

It’s cool that you think I don’t get them though.

Nearly twenty years down the road and we’re still waiting for the WoW-killer that will never come.

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Nobody really knows, nor do I think it really matters.

Though you’d think if millions, heck even hundreds of thousands of players were actively playing WoW right now, you’d see more than 7 people trying to form groups in the group finder to complete current world content in the new zone. I’m not saying that’s any direct indication, but… makes ya think. Or you’d think there’d be more than 20 people trying to form groups for arenas publically. Or more than 5 people trying to kill Elders on a Friday.

Everyone’s saying all these other MMO’s “feel dead”. Well, Zaralek feels dead too, doesn’t mean I think WoW is dying. However, I also don’t think there’s any direct indication that it feels like it’s massively more popular than every other MMO. If anything, it feels majorly the same (population wise) as all the other ones I play.

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I think if WoW is to be considered the “top MMO” it is only due to inertia. It is a very aged game and it shows when you compare it against it’s rivals. I’m not even just talking graphics either. I remember reading once that, way back in the day, FFXIV launched a complete feces product and it was so bad and unpolished they took it offline and rebuilt it from the ground up and the devs were instructed to actively play and study WoW to learn what works and then FFXIV launched into a realm reborn (their vanilla) and it was a way better product. Having played both WoW and FFXIV (albeit not the recent expansion nor the latter half of the prior expansion), you can see where they took an idea and then made it way better.

I compared FFXIV to WoW once upon a time ago and honestly WoW was the one who needs to take the step back and learn from it a lot more than I say FFXIV had to from WoW anymore. At most, WoW held the edge with mythic+ since FFXIV had no comparable offering there but everything PvE related I found FFXIV to be the better overall offering.

The problem though is that damn inertia. I have got an amazing WoW account chocked full of leveled toons, collectibles, gold, you name it and it is overall very quick and simple to get to the hamster wheel that is endgame no matter if starting from level 1 or picking up a toon…by contrast, FFXIV makes you work hard because they believe the journey is every bit as important as the destination.

I digress. The reality is most people are addicted to instant gratification and a game like FFXIV which demands a pretty significant unfront and long term investment is a really hard sell to most and for a long tenured WoW player, it really feels sucky to start over in a new game and have nothing and be at the bottom of the totem pole especially knowing you can just log back into WoW and have all the comfort back.

That said, I think if WoW had to start over and it tried to offer even modern retail expansions as “vanilla” (let alone the actual classics), it would be decimated and left in the garbage bin of history in an instant. It is the epitome story of “right place, right time”.

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There’s still the Riot game being worked on.

Otherwise the money is moving towards cash shops and indie games, mmorpgs have somewhat lost its sheen in the greater scheme of modern gaming at least from a cost effective stand-point.

Still, they got more players then MMOs did in recent times. I personally dont like them but fortnite blew up to extreme levels of popularity.

I’m down to play some leisure suit Larry.

As in most active players? Yes, almost certainly yes. I don’t think FFXIV at its peak ever eclipsed current WoW and it certainly never surpassed Wrath’s numbers.

But I want other MMORPGs to do well. I like it when games are good. Also competition is healthy and keeps the genre from stagnating.

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:rofl:

I agree blizzard needs to nerf BM hunters immediately