Gods, that’s a mood… got reminded on part of why I stopped RPing.
I’ve been posted about on that horrid blog quite a few times, mainly because a specific group of people got it in their head that I was “out to get them” and causing chaos for them at any given opportunity… whenever it was completely different people, including an (ex)friend who admitted to wreaking havoc on said group.
Separate BNET profiles/pets/mounts?
Clearly I had another account. /s
It might have been acceptable theory… if it weren’t for the fact that this specific group accused me of having 6 separate BNETs at some point. They even accused my husband of being “not real” and just being one of my alts. They even formed a “secret” stalker discord group just to “spot” me (ie keep track of any characters they thought were mine). I only know of this group because one of the people got tired of it all and gave me screenshots.
Anyhow, rant over.
(Part of why I’m not name-and-shaming is because it’s against the forum’s Code of Conduct, just a FYI.)
Hey, the WGS community freaking LOVES the Frog Facts person. They also care a lot about their well-being.
The trial, the outcome, the pushback and the subsequent unrest were all planned events (in poor taste, not because of the actual IC events but because it took place during the George Floyd protests). You know, that RP stuff? Big events like that are generally planned out OOC between the parties that run the story on both sides.
Over time reams of rules have been written to make sure that any hint of IC conflict will be stomped out early though, even with all parties consenting, because of the way other people peripheral to opt-in projects tend to take their storylines extremely literally and assume that all IC conflict is an exact replica of people’s OOC interactions even when they’re not intended to be that way.
No one is trying to “ruin” Herne, no one cares that much and he seems to have plenty of friends that don’t care what people think, he’s doing fine. But people are allowed to form opinions based on his behavior and decide that they don’t want to interact with him or have him in their ongoing RP groups (that he doesn’t even want to be a part of).
Mentioned plenty of times in prior post, namely kiwi farms levels of doxxing and assault, but also apparently stalking, harassment, and falsifying claims on people IC and OOC as well (to note I am not the only person bringing these charges, I heard of the Discord bragging from someone still in the SCA Discord who saw the post from said person who did it, and there are several posts here also mentioning being stalked and libeled).
Ah, so we’re just gonna ignore the conversation above and the person holding disparaging screenshots of said person for… some reason. Interesting.
I think the only thing we might agree on at this point is that this isn’t an SLP-specific manhunt. There is, however, no denying that more than one person’s out with a grudge on this guy and causing problems publicly about it in threads that have literally nothing to do with them because… reasons.
Still comes back around to this server being unnecessarily mean to people. We don’t all have to be friends, or even get along, but this going out of one’s way to harass and harm someone stuff is unacceptable. I really wish Blizz would take it more seriously… but they won’t. They didn’t take it seriously 10 years ago, and they’re still not taking it seriously now. It’s no wonder people keep leaving. Who in their sane mind would put up with this?
And also giving away someone else’s character, and putting their personal hardships on the forum for everyone to see. Is it against any specific rule that the Blizzard mods would penalize him for? No. Is it a move that might make people think less of him on a personal level? Yes.
That’s pretty much it. Those things made people uncomfortable. They’re using the information that they have to make choices about how they spend their time and who they choose to associate with.
Obviously there are plenty of people who don’t feel the same, that’s fine. People keep screenshots because:
So in your mind, not having screenshots means that talking about things that a person did is invalid. But keeping the screenshots “for some reason” also means that they’re doing something nefarious. People like you ask to see them as proof of why people are uncomfortable on a personal level, and then when provided it’s taken as a sign of some vast conspiracy.
Herne posts a lot of the forums and it largely goes without comment. His ability to post obviously hasn’t been restricted. Herne hangs out a lot in game and holds public events and as far as I’ve seen no one tries to disrupt that. You’re looking at the available information and you’re making a choice about your personal comfort levels and boundaries to decide who you want to talk to.
Other people are doing the same. That’s all there is to it.
They’re also using information to frame folks, and doxx them, both of which are crimes, which resulted in WORSE crimes with actual IRL OOC consequences.
If folks wanted to IC disrupt events, that’s just violating a corporate CoC which is only a mild violation, falsifying evidence on a third party site and getting folks physically harmed by your actions? That is what the folks in the SLP and SCA are currently doing and continue to do.
Those are things NOBODY in the MG and WoW community overall should allow them to do but they DO.
Except that’s not all it is. I’m def not arguing that people who don’t like each other should be forced to interact or something. I get what you’re saying; they chose to remove him from their space, and that’s their choice. Cool. No issue with this. I am all for allowing everyone to curate their own experience.
The issue I have is that they’ve now gone out of their way to create drama in a thread for no reason by making random vagueblog comments in a pretty obvious attempt to stir the pot and incite a reaction from OP. That’s not just someone who doesn’t agree with a guy. That’s now a person who’s decided they need to be a bully, and that I’m not OK with. We need less of this in the community on the whole.
TL;DR if you don’t like someone, don’t interact with them. There’s no need to make drama and be a jerk about it, constantly harassing them across multiple threads unprovoked.
Because Herne has been trying to derail talking about his behavior to throwing (screenshot-free) unrelated and much more serious accusations at other groups.
Like I said, Herne posts a lot. Despite that, people keep the worms in the can 99.9% of the time. When he starts saying that people are being boring and aren’t interacting enough, it’s arguably a valid (if not very productive) counter-argument that his personal experience might be affected by the consequences of his own behavior.
I’ve never derailed that, folks who wanna see it literally have it plastered everywhere the folks at the SCA can reasonably post it, they wave it around like some sort of bizarre war banner. (including emailing it to folks by the way, it legit got flagged as spam in folks’ email inboxes)
And yes, I brought up VERY serious accusations because they have been attempted to be covered up and buried, the SLP/SCA KNOWS that what they do is unsupportable and if shown to any major group in the MG realm, if it hasn’t already been… would get them DNIed enmasse and even removed from the realm as folks reported their activities by the dozens if not hundreds.
I’m denying nothing, but it seems you and a number of folks in this thread want those accusations of their own misdeeds not to see the light of day ANYWHERE.
There are dozens of folks around MG like myself who have stayed silent, some of them legitimately proven innocent of the accusations, who would gladly bring these facts to life if the SCA didn’t run smear campaigns to try and silence them.
I did not condone their smear campaigns against any and everyone without a proper trial and investigation THEN int he SCA, and I sure as HECK don’t after finding out that a handful of the accusations were indeed falsified using photoshop.
Ya know? That’s fair. If one side doesn’t want to be bothered, they shouldn’t be bothering the other side either in the same manner. Agreed.
Kind of hard to say if this original post had anything to do with SLP in particular, or any particular group. Folks just sticking to their own little groups is def a thing that we’ve been seeing more and more of over the years.
This thread started out nice and peaceful, and then Halandor had to come in with “you have a reputation”. It stirs the pot, it requires questioning what this reputation is, and devolves into what we have now… which is now completely off the point of the thread, which was just grumbling about the closed-offedness of MG’s RP scene.
There’s a way to say “maybe it’s you” without being a jerk. Halandor’s approach wasn’t the way. It was not based in kindness, nor was it based on any attempt to keep the conversation civil and on-topic.
In conclusion:
@Halandor, quit stirring the pot and put Herne on ignore so you don’t see his posts anymore if you’ve got nothing nice to say and nothing of value to contribute to his threads.
@Herne, you didn’t do anything worth all this blowup in this specific thread, but I would advise steering clear of accusations without proof and being cautious about what you chose to post online about yourself and others in the future.
Fun fact, the Aurora Borealis is a lightshow resulting from light speed relativistic solar winds slamming magnetic particles into the Earth’s electromagnetic layer of the atmosphere with extreme violence… even more terrifying is that that radiation and space junk would kill us all without the atmosphere… also it’s stripping away the magnetic field slowly but surely too.
Had to end sometime. Personally I am still hoping for the rise of AI and the inevitable machine wars that follow. 10 years ago I never would have guessed the Terminator movies (of which there are only 3) would be prophetic.
Gently pats you on the shoulder “I dunno how to tell you this Rakham old chap, but I sided with the mechanicus… they made a more logical and conclusive point… also they did it with a nice power point slide show.” Starts chanting Omnissiah
This thread definitely derailed. Maybe request it be locked and start a new one? OP absolutely had a discussion-worthy topic (I say, knowing full well my response was entirely for laughs rather than engagement, although it was certainly true as well).
Well it’s good to see that nothing’s changed in my checks calendar 5 year absence…
Which is really just to say that RP servers have been RP servers and have been exactly like MG since the beginning. Posts like this (I’m talking about the actual original post) pop up every so often and make the same complaints about never having the right kind of RP in the right places… AND the secret pages have been secreting since who the heck knows.
My point? It’s not helpful to point out a lack of XYZ without at least attempting to find solutions for one thing, but the reality is that you are going to find the kind of RP that you put out into the world (or “be the RPer you’re looking to find” or whatever other cliche you want to use).
And as a side note- outside of the few people who are in the thick of the drama- no one cares, I promise you that. Move on and get over it, under it, through it, whatever you need to do to find your peace. Or better yet -talk it out amongst yourselves!
Very well said, folks shouldn’t dredge up things that were a handful of months old when they first blared them and are years old at this point just to try and harass folks but… gestures to entire thread “Here we are.” All cause they wanna take IC stuff and turn it into OOC targeted harassment as Xathion so rightly hit the nail on the head.
And I agree with:
Which is why I welcome folks into our little community with a touch of Classic WoW humor and treat them like family… well better than some folks treat theirs most certainly.
You honestly couldn’t be more accurate. I mean it’d be NICE MG and WrA could combine to have a stronger balance, but even as it is, MG Horde has been on the upswing.
It’s actually stronger now than it’s probably ever been.