Refusing to play the game because you want someone kicked is not how you deal with the issue of not wanting to carry for free. You leave the key like I’ve said, and like you know.
It is, 100%, gameplay sabotage. It’s an attempt to hold people hostage.
All of this ignoring the fact that it was just an innocent rear end pull, which happens at all levels of play on occasion.
I just explained how to prove it.
I already leave a lot of keys.
It is, 100%, gameplay sabotage. It’s an attempt to hold people hostage.
There is no hostage holding. People are free to kick said tank, or to leave themselves.
All of this ignoring the fact that it was just an innocent rear end pull, which happens at all levels of play on occasion.
It does.
You reported them, and move on.
Key was dead the moment that tank joined.
I would’ve kicked the tank and hearthed.
In lieu of finishing the dungeon. Meaning he successfully held them hostage. It’s gameplay sabotage.
well i cant really speak for if they are kicked. it probably doesnt matter, but who knows, perhaps it does. i am sure that if you leave the key, you dont get loot
I’m curious how you know all of these keys you didn’t get loot from even finished.
Faux is explicitly talking about being kicked, though, as he’s arguing that it’s acceptable to kick someone to deny them loot.
Either way, you could have the participants leave.
You cannot compel someone else to play with another. Else you enable outright carries.
And since tank did not join the key with the express purpose of leaving it so others don’t get loot, gameplay sabotage does not apply. (And tank did not leave said group.)
What the tank did, falls under harassment.
That niche gameplay sabotage clause is for people who join a key with the express purpose that others delevel their keys, and gloat about it maliciously.
well ive still gotten the dungeon completion/vault update completion notifications well after ive left
Correct. Which is why you leave a key, rather than trying to hold people hostage to meet demands like “kick this player”
You’re not this dense. Just admit you misread the thread in the first place.
Correct. Which is why you leave a key, rather than trying to hold people hostage to meet demands like “kick this player”
But that’s a perfectly reasonable request.
Tbh I forgot it even alerted you if you left.
I edited the post, though. No reason you couldn’t run the same experiment, just leaving instead.
No. It’s not. It’s gameplay sabotage.
You seem to not know what a hostage is. Holding people hostage is conditional on demands being met.
No one is held hostage.
The tank cannot force people to stay.
Others cannot force the tank to well, tank.
They are held hostage until the tank gets what he wants. Either an end to the key or the player kicked.
That is how hostages work.
The tank certainly doesn’t want to end the key, else the tank would’ve left.
Can’t argue that’s what he wanted.
Yeah I get that, but I was just pointing out why they were questioning racism. It wasn’t that they were claiming the comments were fine, they were just questioning the word itself.
Derogatory insults and threatening to hold a group hostage is actionable.
The OP wasn’t asking about abandoning keys?
No, you don’t. lol
And yes, it does cover it.
Someone leaving a group isn’t gameplay sabotage.
Both happened.
Wrong.
Wrong. The tank refusing to play and sitting there holding the group hostage is absolutely gameplay sabotage.
In M+ you receive loot even if you leave. Source: my guildie who ended up getting a BiS piece in the mail after he left a toxic group and they finished without him. Secondary source: this forum that has complained about it this expansion.
So your “deny loot” philosophy only applies in low keys where you can afford to lose a member?
Are you SURE this is the hill you’re choosing?
We disagree with each other. That’s perfectly okay.
I’m saying some people do not deserve loot. And I haven’t gone to the hassle of denying someone, I can see why someone would.
So you’d apply the same logic in a high key? He’s asking for someone to be kicked, so he must actually want to keep going in the key?
I ask again. Are you SURE this is the hill?
It can happen. The odds of success are so astronomically low, that it’s better not to flame cause you actually need people.
It’s a card that I will pull in pug raids sometimes.