Because true casuals aren’t going to be able to reliably do M12+ pugs. True casuals will be in 445 emissary gear at best; are you taking them into your +12?? If so I’ve got 12 alts I’ll be hitting you up on this weekend!! 
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What happened to LFR that made it ruined?
The only thing I know is that LFR prior was awesome because casuals could get tier sets (albeit a lower ilvl).
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Where was this “free 470” during the cloak questline?? I did it 12 times and the best I got was a 440 piece.
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It’s boring as piss to me. Not sure what happened to it but you never got enough loot and it was a slog to do.
Are you referring to pre WOD LFR or afterwards? I’m just trying to understand what changed. I personally think it was one of the best additions to the game. When you’re very casual and raiding schedules are not feasible, you can experience the content and possibly get a little upgrade or two.
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I just don’t like when I spend 30+ minutes in a queue to get nothing but gold or azerite. It just did not appeal to me. I used to like doing it but the loot has been crap since Legion for me anyway. Once they added the arbitrary resources to it and I had one more thing clogging up the loot table. It was like F this I’m gonna go play Skyrim or something.
The reality is the new fundamental game design for WoW is nothing like it used to be and that makes it harder for us casuals.
Once upon a time we farmed badges to get starter gear so we could get inside raids. How about today? Just a bunch of hoops to jump through.
Oh ok, I understand.
Yeah, it always bummed me out too when I would anticipate my weekly reset, wait a half hour and get nothing. I’m not saying this is the fix, but I had more than 1 toon back then to run it on. I’d usually get something on at least one of them. However, with BfA not being alt friendly with the necklace and all, it’s not really an option.
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I also don’t really care about azerite traits. I’m not good enough at min/maxing to go this is the best combo. So I Google it and the customization of it is meaningless. I’d rather gear be x item level and if the number is higher it’s an upgrade. I know that will make a bunch of people have upset stomachs, but I really don’t have time to meticulously gauge what is an upgrade or not outside of item level. Maybe I’m too casual for Wow now, but the only part I play now is leveling alts because the endgame is so unfriendly to me. Not the players mind you but the systems.
As a causal player that doesn’t do any high end content, I could care less about ilvl of gear. I just want access to cool looking gear for transmog.
I recently got my alt shaman up to i-level 450+ by only doing the weekly quests, assaults/visions, and daily emissaries. There are ultra casual ways of gearing almost to heroic level. I did the assaults just fine in sub 430 gear. If anyone is “stuck” at 410 or lower, then that’s on them.
You can just do casual world content and get better than normal raid gear (and up to practically heroic levels). How much more casual does this game need to get?
Having said that, I do miss badges in Wrath. I’d be happy if they brought that system back. That exact system though, no getting mythic geared from badges. If you want the best gear in the game then you need to do the toughest content.
That’s also part of it too in that I stomp everything I fight at my measly 418 on my Shaman. Why upgrade my gear? What’s the point?
This is Bomar’s Shaman. I have zero issue killing anything in the overworld. My item level is garbage. Nothing matters and they wonder why I just level alts all day.
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No, no you can’t.
I actually got into a +6 on my feral kitty 2 weeks ago, had far more trouble with my ele shammy last week but did finally complete a +7.
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I like the story, enviroments, characters, set pieces snd my friends play this game, not to mention how much progress on my account I’ve made.
There’s always something to do in WoW, if you’re not up to it that’s your problem.
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I feel like you’re blowing things out of proportion. I am a casual player but I am a multi-BFA duelist, and multi-classer of eight specs above 2k+. I heroic raid. I do my 15s every week. But I am still a casual player.
I feel like your talking points are also a little bit unnecessary considering you’re not taking into account the when of the situation in question. You talk of peoples’ HP bars, but neglect to mention that we’re also at the end of the expansion and nothing right now matters. The only people playing right now are either casual people who enjoy the game (like myself) or people who are still trying to finish off mythic Ny’alotha.
You can still be casual and enjoy this game. It’s more about whether or not you’re willing to do your chores which even the most casual of people can get done without an issue. You don’t need to do a weekly 5 mask for your malefic core - you just need to full clear a zero mask vision which is a joke.
LFR N’zoth is mechanically challenging. You don’t need to be a casual to queue for LFR and suffer with people who don’t bother to learn mechanics. You could be casual and join a normal guild and get things done in a much more effective manner with regular people.
Being casual does not automatically mean you must suffer through the pug world. Being casual can be in a casual guild and still be effective.
I dunno - I feel like you’re misusing casual here. What you should be discussing is how hard it is for someone to go it alone as a casual while not being in a guild. Being a casual and being a solo player and suffering through things like LFR and random bg’s isn’t necessary to still be casual.
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I respectfully disagree.
My opinion is that Retail is by far the most accessible it’s ever been. There are issues (class/spec/balance) and things I personally don’t like (Corruption on gear for alts who simply can’t cleanse/resist or even just disable the visual), but the immersion of the character in the world and all there is to do, is great. TBH I just don’t like Trolls and Zandalar (Stranglethorn II), but Kul Tiras is amazing, and Boralus is absolutely incredible, zone/city-wise.
Heavy casual/altoholic here, who came back from a hiatus since 2018 to play Classic, enjoyed it very much but then started dabbling with Retail and now all my Classic toons sit idle.
I play for a year straight then un-sub after last raid and cinematic i disperse until about 3-6 months before the new expansion drops and start farming collecting stuff i missed on when i left, you gotta have a reason to log in and waste valuable time and that for me is to have fun and slip on Wow like an old pair of shoes, they may have holes in them and you can’t run far with when you wear them but by the gods they fit perfect for you.
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I’m a casual gamer. My only real complaint is that “end game” lore is locked behind raids. And while you can pug most dungeons and raids, you can’t ENJOY the lore/content as a casual because the pugs just are burning through the raid as fast as possible. You are expected to go watch a Youtube video of the dungeon to “Know” how to run it instead of enjoy it. But that is a personal gripe. Otherwise, the game is casual-friendly.
I would like to see them institute something like Star Wars the Old Republic did with the individual scenarios, so that you could do a lot of the instances solo with a companion and an assistant droid (MECHAGNOMES…get to work on these!). I would not expect individual dungeons to give the same level of rewards of normal or heroic or mythic runs, but would allow casual players to experience ALL the lore content without being rushed through it.
Because end-game raiding is the only thing casual players really miss out on, I would think. And it is only an issue because so much story and lore is locked behind the end-game raiding.
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