6 years passed since Shadowlands happened. Can we assume now that the trolls managed to replace the ships that got destroyed?
4 Likes
Presumably everyoneâs been rebuilding. So I donât see why not.
13 Likes
Theyâd be fools not to rebuild their fleet. I assume theyâd at least have that as a priority.
3 Likes
Like anything involving troops it does not exist until it needs to again. We can presume they rebuilt it, certainly, and no doubt they will at some point roll out a fleet of ships with a line or two about how the Zandalari shipwrights have been hard at work over the past few years.
9 Likes
You can assume whatever you want. Until it becomes relevant in the story. (and it really wonât be in one that takes place underground) it doesnât matter.
You think they rebuilt Rastakhan yet?
5 Likes
Still weird that bwonsamdi blesses their ships instead of gral or paku
8 Likes
Bwonsamdi: âMay you all visit me soonâ
Talanji: âwhat?â
Bwonsamdi: âwhat?â
8 Likes
If it is then all it has to do is wait until Genn Greymane(and possibly Jaina since she provided him with her Fleet) is secluded and bombard him in a way that doesnât reveal their involvement eh? Is that what you are getting at?
The what now?
Sounds pretty based, ngl
And thats how Blizzard designs their characters so itâs honestly a coin flip if theyâve been doing anything or just sitting on their hands for half a decade.
3 Likes
Youâll find out when itâs relevant to the plot I guess
Itâs Shroedingerâs fleet
1 Like
No, you canât, because there is absolutely no evidence to assume this.
The only fact we know is that the KUL TIRAN fleet is still a thing, as Jaina Proudmoore sent the Kul Tiran fleet to scour the Great Sea for Sylvanas and Nathanos in the aftermath of SOO 2.0.
There is absolutely no evidence that the Zandalari fleet is rebuilt.
Itâs kind of unclear whether theyâd feel compelled to. Having such a large fleet was kind of a holdover from Zulâs campaign after Cataclysm to gather all of the tribes and possibly relocate the Zandalari populace if the homeland sank into the sea, which it ultimately didnât. Prior to that, they were an isolationist state without any real expansionist ambitions, whose people rarely left the island.
Post-BfA theyâd likely rebuild, but might only have reason to make the fleet large enough to secure their own waters. Replacing enough ships to constantly project naval power abroad isnât necessarily something theyâd try to do, since even with the Golden Armada they were never really culturally invested in maritime projection to the degree that Kul Tiras is. The Kul Tirans have a long history of dominating the seas because they were constantly trading with other kingdoms all across the EK; the Zandalari sort of ended up with a huge fleet because their Prophet convinced Rastakhan to let him assemble one so they could potentially evacuate their island and claim a new homeland elsewhere by force if necessary.
While the Horde wanted their huge fleet for its active war against the Alliance, at the time of BfA the Zandalari themselves were arguably maintaining a far larger navy than they actually needed, as it had been built up as a hedge against a specific situation that never ended up happening.
Rastakhan is in De Other Side, or whatever afterlife Bwonsamdi controls. iirc Bwonsamdi let him and Talanji meet for a moment after his death.
Its hard to see why the Zandalari would not rebuild, but I rather doubt the fleet is anywhere near as strong as it was during BFA.
A fleet isnât just itâs ships, but itâs sailors too, and the Zandalari lost not only ships, but manpower as well. Building ships is not an overnight process, either. It takes quite a long time, and also resources, and the Zandalari would have to clear cut most of their forests to build another fleet so fast. This isnât take into account resources from the Horde, of course, but its all still worth noting.
Given in TWW we do see Alliance and Horde ships arriving at the Isle of Dorn, and Zandalari vessels arenât amongst them, we can either speculate that means theyâve not rebuilt their fleet, or that theyâre not involved. Even if they werenât getting involved, however, itâs odd that they wouldnât at least offer transport.
1 Like
Actually, itâs pretty simple.
The Zandalari have always been an isolationist people, content with living by themselves on their tiny little isle and occasionally sending some scholars oversea to rechord the downfall of Troll civilization.
Why would such a people need a fleet? They are not expansionist. They do not engage in trade with other nations, as they are isolationist. The only reason why the Zandalari had a fleet is because Zul pushed them to conquer other lands after the Cataclysm ravaged Zandalar.
Kul Tiras is the exact opposite. If the Zandalari are isolationist, with one brief period when they were expansionist, Kul Tiras are expansionist. The nation was founded by explorers and they have always pushed the boundary of Human exploration, furthermore it was their charge to patrol the high seas for the Alliance. They were briefly isolationist after Admiral Proudmoore died, but that ended rather quickly.
Since Jaina was busy dealing with pirates in DF, itâs safe to assume that the Kul Tiran fleet has returned to its original purpose of patrolling the high seas and safeguarding them from pirates.
The Horde actually owe a lot to Jaina and Kul Tiras. Itâs thanks to them that pirates are kept at bay and inter-continental trade can flourish. The Horde should honestly all thank Jaina and Kul Tiras for existing.
TL;DR: It makes perfect sense that Kul Tiras has a large fleet. It obviously doesnât make sense for Zandalar to have a fleet of any kind.
Asking, âwhy an island nation would need a fleet,â is a bit silly. Itâd be like asking why a landlocked nation would need an army. Even QuelâThalas, which itself was isolationist, had a fleet, and they werenât even an island nation.
Why Kul Tiras has a fleet isnât in question. That said, itâd make no sense for an island nation to not have a fleet at all.
4 Likes
The Zandalari donât have an âisland nationâ. They have a small city-state surrounded by hostile regions everywhere.
They donât have the manpower or resources to have a fleet.
The Nightborne donât have a fleet either. 