I mean wow demons really aren’t comparable with christian ones. Almost anyone is redeemable with a certain interpretation of Christianity. Just saying, it’s not the best comparison. I wouldn’t be surprised if some former enslaved WoW demons would have been open to leaving the Legion.
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Except in WoW demons can be un-demon-ified by woo woo mysterious magic so the permanence of demonic corruption brought from the banishment from Heaven doesn’t apply here because it’s an entirely different body of logic and series of events
Demons in WoW can be redeemed and saved.
This makes all your whining about the Light having some grey all the more incoherent, especially if you’re some flavor of Protestant (including EC here). Do not think you’re EOrtho or OOrtho and the probability you’re COTE is unlikely.
You have a very black and white perspective of WoW that doesn’t fit into your puritanical faith. That just is what it is. The writers are not applying the framework you expect when it comes to faith, morality and ethics.
They are drawing from a much larger pool of faith, philosophy, religion. ethics, metaphysics, mythology, paganism etc, and that’s why it doesn’t fit just one mold. It’s just as complex as the world is, basically.
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Well you said they never admit their guilt. I was pointing out that they clearly did. What comes after is another question, and that remains to be seen.
Tyrande said she wanted the Banshee’s head, and Thrall said he would work on it. So, that seems to be one of the things they both agreed would help repair things. We will see what comes of that.
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I know Ad Hominem attacks are one of your go-to methods given your left-wing ideology, but stop. Did Kil’jaeden express any interest in being un-demon-ified?
Did Kil’jaeden apologize for any of his crimes?
It also makes no sense for Velen to be all “we must stop Kil’jaeden, charge!” literally minutes ago, then suddenly be “I forgive you, buddy.” after winning a fight to the death against him.
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OK.
What? “Have you agreed to help restore things?” Sylvanas’s head is just a guarantee that he will not be killed when trying to make the next negotiations, right? After all, it was written in the book, right?
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Spare me the Ad Hominem attacks. The setting’s grab-bag morality isn’t why I think they’re anti-justice, it’s the selective enforcement of rules and plot armor for certain characters that doesn’t make sense even according to most of the various creeds they crib from for the setting.
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I mean yes Velen’s reaction in the cinematic, and Kil’Jaeden’s dying moments did express forgiveness and contrition, respectively.
Sure the preceding gameplay kinda made the whole dynamic confusion, but that is very much the sentiment conveyed in the cinematic. That is very evident and obvious.
And statement stands, whining about the Catholic/Episcopal Church’s pseudo in-game representation and possible future narrative direction as a member of neither church doesn’t make much sense.
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I know Velen expressed forgiveness, the problem is Kil’jaeden’s lack of contrition for someone who turned into a demon and oversaw multiple planetary genocides. He might be sorry for what he did to Velen, but not anything else. He doesn’t even mention what he did to Velen’s son, the straw that broke the camel’s back for Velen.
Trying to bring up my religious beliefs and strawman me in an attempt to unbalance me won’t work, just like it failed in your whining about the portrayal of non-heterosexual people trying to strawman WoW (and everyone whose case disagreed with yours) as homophobic.
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Yeah. Kiljaeden all but says “I was wrong. And I screwed it all up.”
And Velen is like : “Thats OK. RIP!”
Well Protestants were whining about Catholics since the reformation. I am not surprised to see it.
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? Not trying to unbalance you lmao you heavily implied previously you were Catholic, only to now claim you aren’t but are some sort of Christian. I am Catholic and aggressively so (even have a blood-right to the Order of Santiago) so just don’t get where you’re coming from.
And inasmuch the Light is a derivation of IRL Abrahamic religions, this is actually par for the course. There’s a reason why standing doctrine of the Apostolic Churches affirm we cannot know who is in Hell.
Funny anecdote: me and this one girl in undergrad (together we were like, implicit leaders of the nonwhite Catholics and she of all the Lutherans on campus) tried to have an ecumenical council of all the Christian clubs on campus
Everyone was on board except the Evangelicals
The issue with “seeking justice” in this game of nations and races as nations is basically the dilemma of the revenge cycle. If the Night Elf children do as Tyrande I believe does mention (I didn’t read the book) and seek revenge, would the Horde take the losses and bow their head, or would it trigger a desire for revenge on their own?
Especially when considering the death of those who didn’t even cause the original massive grievance. Which is a another part of the issue, as revenge becomes wrong especially when it turns into a sense of “ethnic guilt”.
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Since you’re aggressively Catholic, care to tell us what the Catholic church teaches about homosexuality?
While, yes, Velen’s forgiveness makes sense, Kil’jaden’s lack of contrition still stands. While you’re right about the standard doctrine of Apostolic churches, that doesn’t apply to WoW, remember?
Chattering cherry-pickers, Batman! There are prejudiced people among every religious group and the non-religious.
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Can’t exactly be Anti-Justice if the world/ Universe of Warcraft is just inherently cruel.
Nothing is ever fair, we (our characters) live in a setting where there must always be fighting in order to achieve whatever person,entity, or creators thinks will accomplish peace or unity
Everyone will always be violent or oppressive, and that will never change as even the cosmic forces themselves can’t even find a decent balance, always trying to outplay each other.
The day “Justice” ever becomes a thing is when all that’s left is nothing but good and virtuous people, aka never
TLDR Can’t be Anti-Justice if there was never justice to begin with in the setting.
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Ethnic guilt - is it when the descendants of the Horde feel guilty or when the night elves blame them?
Lol so you whine and accuse me of ad hominem and “unbalancing you” and now you do this trite nonsense?
So what denomination do you belong to?
Yes, which is why I’m pointing out even in your own argument the theology doesn’t stand.
Velen chose to forgive Kil’jaeden and Kil’jaeden chose to demonstrate regret.
It’s the feeling that every member of a race is basically responsible for the grievance, like when Vereesa hated all Blood Elves for the death of her husband.
Rhonin had it coming. The real shame is that we couldn’t kill Vereesa too.
I’m not using your character to attack your arguments. Since you didn’t answer my question, neither will I answer yours.
I was dismayed by Velen’s forgiveness despite Kil’jaeden’s lack of regret. His only words to Velen then were, quote “I was always envious of you. Your gift. Your faith. Your vision. I never believed that Sargeras could be stopped. Perhaps you will prove me wrong.” What does Kil’jaeden offer? He doesn’t even try to stop the ship crash-landing onto Argus.
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Yeah, so the night elves hate the Horde and their descendants.
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It’s better not to try to connect this with the behavior of the descendants of the slave-owning time, right?
Although, I already linked it. Mda.