Is The Horde Even Worth Salvaging At This Point? Should We Just Give Up?

[Danseis-silver-hand (Danseis)]

You gave such an eloquent defense of the Alliance and that it is always right in such a way that it brought a tear to my eyes. Very surprising for a thread about salvaging the Horde but you soldiered on. Of course, if you meant what points I was actually talking about

@Poised-moon-guard

Return the Horde and Alliance to the balance of frenemies at best, cold war with skirmishes at worst. Add complexity and nuance by focusing on internal threats in addition to the external, and create stories that exist outside of the relationship with the factions.

Fix up the wrecked Horde zones like Barrens and Durotar and advance their stories by fleshing out cultures and lore for the core Horde races. Expand the relationships the Horde has with other powers, such as the Cartels, and the troll tribes, and the interplay between those. Make that a unique aspect of the Horde again, where because it’s a collective as opposed to an Alliance of powers, they have a larger expanse of allies outside of themselves.

In particular any allied races that are added should be ones that have a larger community than any added to the Alliance, one based on more personal honor and friendships, and reliability, as opposed to the more treaty-based one of the Alliance. Place heavier emphasis on Shamanism as a spiritual lynchpin for many of the Horde races, as advisors.

And make Thrall Warchief again, doing away with the council. The council quite literally is just the same inner circle of advisors and friends the Warchief had before Garrosh, it doesn’t need to be its own special thing.

@Kagehiro-zuljin

Re: the topic, salvaging the Horde is as simple as finding the WC3-Vanilla touchstone and refocusing on what made it compelling.

At present, I think that basically boils down to how much pressure Metzen exerts on The Horde’s place in the narrative. If the same people that had a hand in post-BFA continue writing The Horde as they have been, it is cooked. Scorched. Placed on the cooking spit and turned to charcoal to make a sign to put on your storage boxes. Wait, wrong game.